16. Except as otherwise specified, the rules of the House will govern the procedure of the committee when it is in session.

The CHAIRMAN. Members of the committee, are there any questions with reference to any one of these 16 different rules?

I may state that we adopted the same identical rules in the 85th Congress. They are practically the same rules that governed the Armed Services Committee during its 12 years' existence.

Mr. ARENDS. Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Arends.

Mr. ARENDS. I just simply want to ask a question of Mr. Smart. If and when during the consideration of these resolutions we find something different from what has been in effect, I hope you will call it to our attention, if and when.

Mr. SMART. So far as I know, there is only one change in a subsequent resolution, which I will call to your attention and explain why. Mr. ARENDS. Thank you.

The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, the Resolution No. 1 offered by Mr. Kilday is agreed to by the committee, and the Resolution No. 1 becomes the rules that govern the competent business of the Armed Services Committee.

Mr. SMART. Mr. Chairman, may I interject for the benefit of the new members? When the new committee calendar is printed, these rules will be printed on the inside of the front sheet.

The CHAIRMAN. All right.

Now the next order of business is recognition of Mr. Durham.

Mr. DURHAM. Mr. Chairman, I offer a resolution, and ask the chief counsel to read it.

Mr. SMART. Committee Resolution No. 2:

Resolved, That the following persons be and the same hereby elected to the professional staff of the Committee on Armed Services, House of Representatives, pursuant and subject to Public Law 601 (79th Cong.), to fill the following positions, respectively, it being understood that according to the provisions of this law the chairman will fix the basic salary per annum:

Robert W. Smart, chief counsel

John Russell Blandford, counsel

Charles F. Ducander, counsel
Philip W. Kelleher, counsel

Resolved, That the following persons be and the same are hereby elected to the clerical staff of the Committee on Armed Services, House of Representatives, pursuant to and subject to Public Law 601 (79th Cong.), and the rules with amendments thereto (84th Cong.), to fill the following positions respectively, it being understood that according to the provisions of this law, the chairman shall fix the basic salary per annum:

Oneta L. Stockstill, secretary

Berniece Kalinowski, secretary
L. Louise. Ellis, secretary
Marie M. Abbott, secretary
Jane Binger, secretary

James A. Deakins, bill clerk

The CHAIRMAN. Now, members of the committee, I think we are indeed fortunate in having such a staff. [Applause.]

This staff is recognized on Capitol Hill as being the most efficient staff of the Congress.

We are indeed fortunate in having such able staff assistants and such able secretaries.

Now I am going to ask that each one of
Members of the committee, this is Mr.

Stand up, Mr. Smart. [Applause.]

you stand up.

Smart, our chief counsel.

Mr. DURHAM. Tell each one to give his years of experience.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Smart has been with the committee since its organization. The committee has been in existence since January of 1947.

Then Mr. Blandford, who has been with the staff [applause] since its organization.

Mr. Kelleher. [Applause.]

How long have you been with the staff?

Mr. KELLEHER. Seven years, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Seven years.

Now, we are reelecting Mr. Ducander, but I want to say to the members of the committee that Mr. Ducander, in all probability, will tender his resignation sometime during today or tomorrow, as he will head the staff of the House Science and Astronautics Committee. But until that has actually occurred, I am asking the committee to continue to designate him as a member of our staff.

We are all going to miss Mr. Ducander, because he is an outstanding staff member, and in all probability he will submit his resignation today or tomorrow and we will have to name someone in his place. Now, Mr. Smart

Mr. DURHAM. Mr. Chairman, at this point I would like to ask that a resolution of appreciation be sent to him.

The CHAIRMAN. It will.

Now, Mr. Smart, ask our secretaries to come around, please, sir. I want all you secretaries to come on up here.

Mr. Smart, present the secretaries to the committee.

Mr. SMART. This is Mrs. Stockstill. [Applause.]

Berniece Kalinowski. [Applause.]

Mrs. Marie Abbott. [Applause.]

Louise Ellis. [Applause.]

Miss Jane Binger. [Applause.]

My right-hand man, Jimmy Deakins. [Applause.]

The CHAIRMAN. Members of the committee, this is our staff. I think they are exceedingly competent. I trust that they will be unanimously reelected.

Without objection, the staff as named in the Resolution No. 2 offered by Mr. Durham is reelected, and in accordance with the resolution I will fix their pay-that which they are drawing today. Now we will excuse the staff-the clerks, so they can go back to their offices if they desire to do so.

Now the next order of business is a resolution by Mr. Kilday. Mr. KILDAY. Mr. Chairman, I offer a resolution and ask it be read by the counsel.

Mr. SMART. Resolution No. 3:

Resolved, That the Armed Services Committee of the House of Representatives shall be organized to consist of three legislative subcommittees, to be known as Subcommittee No. 1, Subcommittee No. 2, and Subcommittee No. 3. Subcommittee No. 1 shall be composed of 13 members, 8 to be designated by the chairman to represent the majority, and 5 to be designated by the ranking minority member to represent the minority. Subcommittees Nos. 2 and 3 shall consist of 11 members each, 7 to represent the majority and 4 to represent the minority, to be designated by the chairman and the ranking minority member, respectively.

The subcommittees shall consider only such bills as are referred to them by the chairman of the full committee.

The subcommittees shall meet on the call of the subcommittee chairmen.

There is only one change in this resolution over the previous resolution of the 85th Congress.

Previously, this resolution contained a provision that the chairman and the ranking member would be ex officio members of all committees. That is also reiterated in the rules of the committee, present and prior hereto, and there is no need to repeat it. It belongs in the rules.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, members of the committee, our committee last year, as we all know, was organized into three standing legislative subcommittees. We are doing the same thing. On account of the different ratio in the Congress, the ratio of the subcommittees is somewhat changed.

Now, without objection, Resolution No. 3 offered by Mr. Kilday is agreed to. And after consultation with Mr. Arends, we name and designate the following members to constitute the three separate committees.

Mr. Smart, read them off, please, sir.
Mr. SMART. Yes, sir. [Reading:]

The CHAIRMAN. Now members of the committee, these subcommittees are so arranged that every member on the majority serves on one, and only one, standing subcommittee. Thank you.

Now, the next order of business is a resolution to be offered by Mr. Hébert.

Mr. HÉBERT. Mr. Chairman, I offer a resolution and ask counsel to read it.

Mr. SMART. Resolution No. 4:

Resolved, That the House Committee on Armed Services shall have a special investigating subcommittee, the size and membership of which shall be determined by the chairman. The members chosen from the majority shall be selected by the chairman; and those from the minority shall be upon recommendation of the ranking minority member of the full committee; be it further

Resolved, That the chairman having introduced and the House having passed House Resolution No. 19, on January 15, 1959, for the accomplishment of this purpose; be it further

Resolved, That the chairman of the full committee is authorized to designate a special counsel to direct and coordinate professional activities of the special investigating subcommittee; and that the chairman is authorized to select such additional staff personnel as may be required by the special investigating subcommittee, the salaries of each to be determined by the chairman of the full committee; be it further

Resolved, That the authority of said subcommittee to conduct hearings and take testimony, authorized by House Resolution No. 19, may be delegated by the chairman of the subcommittee to one member of the majority and one member of the minority of said subcommittee who shall constitute a quorum of the subcommittee at all times; be it further

Resolved, That should the need therefor be required, alternate members may be chosen in the same manner as permanent members, for a limited time or for a specific subject; be it further

Resolved, That the chairman of the full committee, at such times and for such purposes as he may deem advisable in the interest of committee business, is authorized to appoint additional specific subcommittees for the purpose of investgating specific subjects and that such special subcommittees, when appointed by the chairman, shall have such rights, prerogatives, and authority as the chairman of the full committee shall deem advisable, including the authority set forth in House Resolution 19 authorizing the committee to investigate and the use of such funds as may be made available through House resolution in support of the committee's investigations.

The CHAIRMAN. Members of the committee, this is identically the same resolution that prevailed during the 85th Congress.

You probably know that the first business transacted during the 86th Congress on the floor of the House was the passage of the resolution conferring upon this Armed Services Committee the authority to conduct investigations. Therefore it follows that it is necessary that a resolution of this kind be agreed to by the committee.

Without objection, the resolution is agreed to. And in accordance with the authority vested in me, after consultation with Mr. Arends, we designate the following members to constitute what is known as the Hébert Investigating Committee.

Read the names, Mr. Smart.

Mr. SMART [reading]:

Mr. Winstead

Mr. Price

Mr. Fisher

Mr. Hardy

Mr. Hébert, Chairman

Mr. Hess

Mr. Gavin
Mr. Norblad

The CHAIRMAN. Now, the next order of business is a resolution to be offered by Mr. Philbin.

Mr. PHILBIN. Mr. Chairman, I offer a resolution and ask that it may be read by the chief counsel.

The CHAIRMAN. Now wait 1 minute, before you read that. Members of the committee, under the authority conferred upon me by the resolution just agreed to, I designate Mr. Courtney-Mr. Courtney, come around, please.

Mr. Courtney, I designate, as the general counsel. [Applause.] Now ask your staff to come around.

Mr. VAN ZANDT. How about a speech, John?

The CHAIRMAN. Now, Mr. Courtney, introduce the staff to the committee.

Mr. COURTNEY. This is Mr. Lloyd Kuhn, who is a staff attorney. Miss Dorothy Britton and Miss Jane Wheelehan and Mrs. Adeline Tolerton, who I present to you. [Applause.]

The CHAIRMAN. Members of the committee, you have vested me with the authority to designate this staff and I do so. These are the people who served with us last year. Under the authority vested in me, their compensation is the same as they are receiving today. Thank you very much.

Mr. VAN ZANDT. No increase in pay.

The CHAIRMAN. Now the next resolution is by Mr. Philbin.

Mr. PHILBIN. Mr. Chairman, I offer a resolution and ask that it be read by the chief counsel.

Mr. SMART. Committee Resolution No. 5:

Resolved, That the House Committee on Armed Services shall have a Subcommittee for Real Estate and Construction, the size and membership of which shall be determined by the chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, the resolution is agreed to. That is the resolution that handles the acquisition and disposal of realty.

As the committee will recall, under the law all disposals over $25,000 and all purchases involving over $25,000 are brought to the Armed Services Committee of the House and Senate and we have an opportunity to give the Department the benefit of our views.

I might say that in examining the President's budget, he recommended that this law be changed. I regret to say that I do not find myself in accord with that recommendation of the budget. I think it is in the interest of economy. With deference to the Administration, the Armed Services Committee should know what is going on in reference to the sale and disposition of real estate.

So I thank the committee for the wise course in adopting the resolution.

I designate, after consultation with Mr. Arends, the following members to be on the Philbin subcommittee, known as the Real Estate Subcommittee.

Mr. SMART [reading]:

Mr. Doyle
Mr. Bennett

Mr. Lankford

Mr. Philbin, Chairman

Mr. Bray

Mr. Osmers
Mrs. St. George

The CHAIRMAN. Now, members of the committee, I desire to submit a resolution which I think is highly important. Mr. Smart, will you read the resolution?

Mr. SMART [reading]:

Be it resolved, That the Armed Services Committee, House of Representatives, does hereby express regret at the loss from its membership of Hon. Overton Brooks, a Representative in Congress from the State of Louisiana;

That the committee recognizes the valuable contributions to the national defense made by him during his long tenure in Congress;

That the committee in particular recognizes the untiring efforts he has put forth in order to build strong and effective Reserve components of the Armed Forces; That the committee believes that both Regular and Reserve personnel of the Armed Forces are indebted to him for his endeavors to secure for them increased pay and allowances, better housing, equitable methods of promotion and retirement, and the present system of military justice;