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Harrison, Maj. Gen. William H., Jr. (president, National Guard Associa- Page tion)-

6161 Hatfield, Hon. Mark 0. (Governor of Oregon)

6030 Hermes, Comdr. Frederick W., Jr., U.S. Coast Guard (Office of Assistant Chief of Staff, Reserves, U.S. Coast Guard)

5631 Hershey, Lt. Gen. Lewis B. (Director, Selective Service System)

6124 Hicks, Col. Fred A., U.S. Army (former Chief, Mobilization Plans Division, Department of the Army)

6198 Hittle, Brig. Gen. J. D., U.S. Marine Corps (retired) (director of national security and foreign affairs, Veterans of Foreign Wars)

6151 Hollingsworth, Col. James F. (Office of Secretary of Defense) ----

5419 Howell, Comdr. Hugh, Jr., U.S. Naval Reserve (vice president for legislation, Naval Reserve Association)

6176 Hyle, Lt. Col. Archie R., U.S. Army (assistant to Chief of Staff, Department of the Army)

5711 Jackson, Rear Adm. Alexander, Jr., U.S. Naval Reserve (director of naval affairs, Reserve Officers Association)-

6084 Johnson, Vice Adm. Felix, U.S. Navy (retired) (Chairman, Naval Reserve Evaluation Board, Department of the Navy)-

5576 Kerr, Capt. Evor S., Jr., U.S. Coast Guard (Assistant Chief of Staff for Reserve Affairs, U.S. Coast Guard)

5609 Keyser, Hon. F. Ray, Jr. (Governor of Vermont)

6034 Korth, Hon. Fred (Secretary of the Navy)

5518 Lang, J. A., Jr. (Deputy for Reserve and ROTC Affairs, Department of the Air Force)-

5676 Lemnitzer, Gen. L. L., U.S. Army (Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff).

6342 MacGregor, Congressman Clark (Minnesota).

6023 McCarty, Maj. Gen. C. E., U.S. Air Force (Assistant Chief of Staff for Reserve Forces, Department of the Air Force).

5675 McGowan, Maj. Gen. D. W. (Chief, Army National Guard Bureau) - 5766 Menist, Maj. Gen. Stuart D., U.S. Army Reserve (president, Senior Reserve Commanders Association, Army of the United States).

6247 Meyerhoff, Dr. Howard A. (Executive Director, Scientitic Manpower Commission)

6112 Notte, Hon. John A., Jr. (Governor of Rhode Island).

6037 Olson, Clarence (director of legislative affairs, American Legion)

6086 Palladino, Maj. Gen. Ralph A., U.S. Army Reserve (Military Executive, Reserve Forces Policy Board).

6316 Peck, Dr. Merton J. (Office of Secretary of Defense Comptroller) - 6180 Quirey, Col. William 0. (Office of Secretary of Defense) -

5425 Rambeau, Col. Jack, U.S. Air Force Reserve (Air Force Association). 6094 Reuss, Congressman Henry S. (Wisconsin)-

6043 Riehlman, Congressman R. Walter (New York).

6005 Robertson, Col. James C., U.S. Army (former Chief, Mobilization Plans Division, Department of the Army)---

6208 Rogers, Congressman Paul G. (Florida).

6028 Rubin, Harold H. (Associate Director of Defense Accounting and Auditing Division, General Accounting Office)

5851 Runge, Hon. Carlisle P. (Assistant Secretary of Defense (Manpower)). 5401 Sawyer, Hon. Grant (Governor of Nevada)

6056 Saylor, Congressman John P. (Pennsylvania).

6012 Seely-Brown, Congressman Horace, Jr. (Connecticut)

6010 Slezak, John (Chairman, Reserve Forces Policy Board).

6301 Sibal, Congressman Abner W. (Connecticut).

6023 Smedberg, Vice Adm. W. R., U.S. Navy (Chief of Naval Personnel).

5557 Stafford, Congressman Robert T. (Vermont).

6017 Sutherland, Maj. Gen. Carl T., U.S. Army Reserve (Chairman, General Staff Committee on Armed Reserve Policy)

6294 Tyree, Rear Adm. J. A., Jr., (Assistant Chief, Naval Operations (Naval Reserve) )--

5527 Warren, Maj. Gen. F. M., U.S. Army (Chief, Army Reserve and ROTC Affairs, Department of the Army)

5799 Williams, Brig. Gen. Gene H. (adjutant general of West Virginia)

6031 Williams, Congressman John Bell (Mississippi)-

6026 Wilson, Maj. Gen. W. P., U.S. Air Force (Assistant Chief, National Guard

Bureau for Air National Guard and Deputy Chief, National Guard
Bureau)

5663 Zuckert, Hon. Eugene M. (Secretary of the Air Force)---

5650

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5881,

Air Force Association :

Page Foss, Brig. Gen. Joe, U.S. Air Force Reserve, president-

6094 Rambeau, Col. Jack.--

6094 Air Force, Department of: Fields, Maj. W., Office Air Reserve Records Center--

5665 Fridge, Benjamin W., special assistant (manpower, personnel, and Reserve Forces).

5651 Lang, J. A., Jr., Deputy for Reserve and ROTC Affairs_

5676 McCarty, Maj. Gen. c. E., Assistant Chief of Staff for Reserve Forces_ 5675 Zuckert, Hon. Eugene M., Secretary of the Air Force---

5650 American Legion :

Bacon, Comdr. Charles L., U.S. Naval Reserve, national commander. 6087
Olson, Clarence, director of legislative affairs---

6086 American Medical Association: Blasingame, Dr. F. J. L---

6121
Appendixes. (See p. 6385.)
Army, Department of:

Ailes, Hon. Stephen, Under Secretary of the Army --- -- 5866, 6346, 6384
Colglazier, Lt. Gen. R. W., Jr., U.S. Army, Deputy Chief of Staff
for Logistics ---

5736
Cooper, Maj. Gen. Ralph C., U.S. Army, Assistant Deputy Chief of
Staff for logistics.--

5804 Darnell, Maj. Gen. Carl, Jr., U.S. Army, Assistant Chief of Staff for Reserve Components.

5791 Decker, Gen. George H., U.S. Army, Chief of Staff

6348 Duff, Maj. Gen. Charles B., U.S. Army, Director of Army Budget---- 5762 Fitt, Alfred B., Deputy for Manpower--

5695 Hicks, Col. Fred A., U.S. Army, former Chief, Mobilization Plans Division

6198 Hamlett, Gen. Barksdale, U.S. Army, Vice Chief of Staff - 5697, 5752 Hyle, Lt. Col. Archie R., U.S. Army, assistant to Army Chief of Staff - 5711 Robertson, Col. James C., U.S. Army, former Chief, Mobilization Plans Division..

6208 Warren, Maj. Gen., F. M., U.S. Army, Chief, Army Reserve and ROTC Affairs...

3799 Defense, Department of: Bartimo, Frank, Assistant General Counsel for Manpower

5496 Hollingsworth, Col. James F., Office of the Secretary

5419 Peck, Dr. Merton J., Office of the Comptroller

6180 Quirey, Col. William O., Office of the Secretary

5425 Runge, Hon. Carlisle P., Assistant Secretary of Defense (Manpower) -- 5401 General Accounting Office: Rubins, Harold H., Associate Director of Defense Accounting and Auditing Division

3851 Joint Chiefs of Staff : Lemnitzer, Gen. L. L., U.S. Army, Chairman_

6342 Labor, Department of: Goldberg, Hon. Arthur J., Secretary

6382 Members of Congress : Avery, Hon. William H. (Kansas)

6019 Davis, Hon. James C. (Georgia)

6175 Gathings, Hon. E. C. (Arkansas).

6102 Gavin, Hon. Leon H. (Pennsylvania)

6340 Hall, Hon. Durward G. (Missouri).

6024 MacGregor, Hon. Clark (Minnesota)

6023 Reuss, Hon. Henry S. (Wisconsin)-

6043 Riehlman, Hon. R. Walter (New York)

6005 Rogers, Hon. Paul G. (Florida)--

6028 Saylor, Hon. John P. (Pennsylvania)

6012

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Page Seely-Brown, Hon. Horace, Jr. (Connecticut)

6010 Sibal, Hon. Abner W. (Connecticut)

6023 Stafford, Hon. Robert T. (Vermont)

6017 Williams, Hon. John Bell (Mississippi).

6026 National Guard Association: Harrison, Maj. Gen. William H., Jr., president

6161 National Guard Bureau : McGowan, Maj. Gen. D. W., Chief, Army

5766 Wilson, Maj. Gen. W. P., Assistant Chief, Air Force_

5663 Naval Reserve Association: Howell, Comdr. Hugh, Jr., U.S. Naval Reserve, vice president for legislation --

6176 Navy, Department of: Johnson, Vice Adm. Felix, U.S. Navy (retired), Chairman, Naval Reserve Evaluation Board

5576 Korth, Hon. Fred, Secretary of the Navy

5518 Smedberg, Vice Adm. W. R., Chief of Naval Personnel..

5557 Tyree, Rear Adm. J. A., Jr., Assistant Chief, Naval Operations (Naval Reserve)

5527 Reserve Forces Policy Board :

Cantwell, Maj. Gen. James F., U.S. Army Reserve, Chairman, General

Staff Committees on National Guard and Army Reserve Policy--- 6251 Palladino, Maj. Gen. Ralph A., U.S. Army Reserve, Military Executive 6316 Slezak, John, Chairman..

6301 Sutherland, Maj. Gen. Carl T., U.S. Army Reserve, Chairman, General Staff Committee on Armed Reserve Policy--

6294 Reserve Officers Association : Barden, Lawrence C., president of Philadelphia chapter.

6029 Boyer, Col. C. M., consultant

6080 Carlton, Col. Jake, executive director.

6057 Brackett, Col. Arthur, director of Air Force affairs.

6085 Harlin, Rear Adm. John E., president..

6083 Jackson, Rear Adm. Alexander, Jr., director of naval affairs.--- 6084 Scientific Manpower Commission : Meyerhoff, Dr. Howard A., executive director.

6112 Selective Service System: Hershey, Lt. Gen. Lewis B., director

6124 Senior Reserve Commanders Association, Army of the United States : Anderson, Maj. Gen. LeRoy H.

6248 Menist, Maj. Gen. Stuart D., president.

6247 State officials: Angelo, Col. Frank J., Arkansas National Guard --

6102 Anderson, Hon. John, Jr., Governor of Kansas.--.

6052 Billado, Maj. Gen. Francis W., adjutant general of Vermont

6040 Bryant, Hon. Farris, Governor of Florida.

6052 Clinger, Maj. Gen. Sherman T., adjutant general for Arkansas---- 6109 Erbe, Hon. Norman A., Governor of Iowa.

603 Hatfield, Hon. Mark O., Governor of Oregon.

6030 Keyser, Hon. F. Ray, Jr., Governor of Vermont-

6034 Notte, Hon. John A., Jr., Governor of Rhode Island..

6037 Sawyer, Hon. Grant, Governor of Nevada -

60.56 Williams, Brig. Gen. Gene H., adjutant general for West Virginia.--- 6031 U.S. Coast Guard :

Garner, Comdr. George I., Chief, Regulations Branch, Reserve Division..

5630 Hermes, Comdr. Frederick W., Jr., Office of Assistant Chief of Staff, Reserves.

5631 Kerr, Capt. Evor S., Jr., Assistant Chief of Staff for Reserve Affairs 5609 U.S. Marine Corps : Fairbourn, Brig. Gen. W. I., Director, Division of Reserve---

1988 Veterans of Foreign Wars : Hittle, Brig. Gen. J. D. U.S. Marine Corps (retired), director of national security and foreign affairs--

6151

[No. 66)

MILITARY RESERVE POSTURE HEARINGS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

SUBCOMMITTEE No. 3 OF THE

COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES,

Washington, D.C., Monday, April 16, 1962. The subcommittee met at 10 a.m., Hon. F. Edward Hébert (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Mr. HÉBERT. The committee will be in order.

Members of the committee, the Chair wishes to make this opening statement in connection with the hearings.

Before beginning our hearings this morning, I wish to make a brief statement for the record which will reflect the purpose and objectives of these hearings.

This subcommittee, by delegation of authority from the chairman of the Committee on Armed Services, has, over the years, exercised primary legislative responsibility over the laws affecting our Reserve Forces.

As a consequence of this legislative responsibility and jurisdiction, this subcommittee has, when other committee activity would permit, conducted an annual review of the posture of our Reserve Forces. This review has been important in the past in enabling the subcommittee to view in_proper perspective legislative recommendations originating in the Department of Defense or from Members of Congress which affected our Reserve Forces.

Today, we are again beginning our annual review of the posture of our Reserve Forces. However, the review this year will, for reasons which I intend to briefly outline, be much more important to all concerned, than those we have had in the past.

The distinction between Reserve posture hearings held in previous years, as compared to our present hearing, principally lies in the fact that in previous years we have discussed mobilization capabilities of the Reserve Forces in academic or hypothetical termstoday, by virtue of the recent limited mobilization of our Reserve Forces, we can discuss this mobilization capability on a factual basis.

The Reserve Forces structure has now been subjected to a test in the crucible of actual mobilization-we intend to determine whether it has met this test satisfactorily, or whether administrative or legislative changes are required.

We are all aware of the almost countless charges and countercharges of alleged deficiencies and inequities in the Reserve program that have become a matter of public discussion during the past few months.

We are also aware that certain individuals may attempt to make “political hay” out of this situation.

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I speak for the members of the subcommittee and myself when I state, most categorically, that these hearings will not become a forum for a "political marathon."

The security of our Nation and the shape and composition of our Reserve Forces is not a partisan issue. For example, we are vitally interested in the proposed reorganization of the Army Reserve components-not because of any sectional or partisan consideration, but solely on the effect it will have on our national security.

In view of this consideration, this subcommittee has been advised that the Department of Defense has agreed not to implement its

proposed Army Reserve reorganization plan until after the subcommittee has reached its own conclusions on the subject.

This subcommittee has deliberately refrained from making any statement or expressing any opinion in connection with these hearings because of its desire to approach this entire subject with complete objectivity.

Í might add that some members of the subcommittee may have been criticized for this seeming reluctance to take a position on various of these problmes. However, regardless of this criticism, we will not prejudge this case until we have had an opportunity to review all the facts.

Then, and only then, will we have any recommendation to make, either in the legislative or administrative field.

Although we hope to conclude our hearings as promptly as possible, we will not do so at the expense of obtaining less than the complete picture.

We, therefore, intend to hear from anyone who can make a genuine contribution to the effort being made by our subcommittee to completely review our Reserve Forces program.

At this point in the record, if there is no objection, I will read the letter received by the subcommittee establishing its jurisdiction in this matter and outlining areas of particular interest.

This is the letter from Chairman Vinson, addressed to me as chairman of this subcommittee.

DEAR MR. HÉBERT : In accordance with authority previously vested in me by the full Committee on Armed Services, I am hereby delegating to Subcommittee No. 3, with you as chairman, the responsibility for conducting a comprehensive inquiry into the defense posture of the Reserve components of our Armed Forces.

The scope of your inquiry shall include, but not be limited to, the following pertinent considerations :

(a) Review of alleged deficiencies resulting from the recent limited mobilization of the Reserve components.

(b) National defense requirments for Reserve component program. (c) Present and future costs of the Reserve component program. (d) Ability of the Reserve components to fulfill mobilization requirements

(e) Review of the application of the statutory Reserve military obligation on individuals who have completed 2 or more years of active duty.

In view of the importance of this inquiry, I would urge that you attempt to complete subcommittee action for report to the full committee prior to the conclusion of this session of the Congress. Sincerely,

CARL Vinson, Chairman. Our hearing schedule is flexible. The subcommittee has agreed to meeting during the period April 16 to 19. That is Thursday of this week-Monday through Thursday of this week. After that time, present plans call for adjournment during the Easter recess.

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