It was my understanding that was necessary because the Department had through a "misunderstanding" gone ahead and proceeded with the engineering contract negotiations on that plant anyway; is that correct? Mr. DILUZIO. No. What happened there is the money which had been set aside to rebuild Point Loma II, expired on June 30, and some moneys expired in September, and we had to come back for additional funds. On top of that, the Navy had not paid us for their share. They took the plant and did not pay us until just a few weeks ago. Mr. REINECKE. I thought you had already gotten into the negotiations and that that resolution was our way of getting you off the hook, to allow you to continue that, and yet I see from today you are not going to even open the bids until the end of March this year. Mr. HOLUM. This committee had asked us Mr. REINECKE. What was going on last year that was so urgent that we had to do this before we could pass the act? We had to pass the resolution before we could pass the act. Mr. HOLUM. This committee had asked us to justify to the committee the reconstruction of Point Loma-the Point Loma plant, what we now call Point Loma II. When we brought that justification before the committee and discussed it with you, you passed the resolution to indicate we had met that responsibility. We have been proceeding as rapidly as we could to get the plant under construction. Mr. REINECKE. Was it not true some action had been taken without congressional approval and this resolution was necessary to whitewash that misunderstanding? Mr. HOLUM. No; I think not. Mr. REINECKE. Thank you. Mr. ROGERS of Texas. Let me correct the record. I said 60 cents a thousand gallons on that imported water. I think the estimate I had was $60 an acre-foot." Mr. HOLUM. And I would like to agree with your correction of the record. I have been having the same second thoughts, Mr. Chair man. Mr. ROGERS of Texas. My memory is a little fuzzy on it, but it reduces it somewhat in the area of 20 cents or below. But you say there are no studies on that at all, Mr. Secretary? Mr. HOLUM. No definitive study, no. Mr. ROGERS of Texas. Do you plan to make it? Mr. HOLUM. Not without congressional approval. Mr. ROGERS of Texas. It seems there is quite a discussion on it. I think that is all. I appreciate very much your coming up, Mr. Secretary, and Mr. DiLuzio. I imagine that Mr. Aspinall's questions and the answers thereto, furnished for the record pursuant to permission heretofore granted, may furnish some additional information. If there is nothing further to come before the subcommittee, we stand adjourned, subject to the call of the Chair. (Whereupon, at 12:20 p.m., the subcommittee adjourned, subject to call.) HEARINGS BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON IRRIGATION AND OF THE COMMITTEE ON INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS UNITED STATES SENATE EIGHTY-NINTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION ON S. 24 A BILL TO EXPAND, EXTEND, AND ACCELERATE THE SALINE WATER CONVERSION PROGRAM CONDUCTED BY THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES 48-389 O MAY 18 AND 19, 1965 Printed for the use of the Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE WASHINGTON: 1965 STATEMENTS American Public Power Association....... Bush, Philip D., vice president, Kaiser Engineers, Division of Kaiser In- Di Luzio, Frank C., Director, Office of Saline Water; accompanied by Dr. J. A. Hunter, Assistant Director, Engineering and Development; Dr. Sherman Gilliam, Assistant Director, Research. Dusbabek, Prof. Mark R., representing the Fluor Corp., Ltd.; accompanied Page Ennis, Charles E., assistant to the executive vice president, Catalytic Con- 115 Godwin, R. P., manager, Scientific Development Department, Bechtel 110 Gore, William L., senior vice president, Aerojet-General Corp.: accompa- 77 Hornig, Hon. Donald F., Director, Office of Science and Technology- Hunter, Dr. J. A., Assistant Director for Engineering and Development, 73 Mangan, Dr. George F., Jr., Chief, Membrane Division, Office of Saline Nedry, Alan M., Southern California Edison Co.. Pike, John W., president, Struthers Scientific & International Corp.. Sandland, Clifford, president and director, C. F. Braun & Co.. Sherwood, Thomas K., professor of chemical engineering, Massachusetts Sieder, E. N., chief, Distillation Division, Office of Saline Water.. 35 87 177 16 Strobel, J. J., Chief, Special Projects Division, Office of Saline Water- 170 95 Udall, Hon. Stewart L., Secretary, Department of the Interior. Welsh, William E., executive director, National Reclamation Association. Will, Robert P., legislative representative, the Metropolitan Water District COMMUNICATIONS Biemiller, Andrew J., Department of Legislation, AFL-CIO: Letter to 213 Rice, Theron J., legislative general manager, Chamber of Commerce of the Snyder, W. Cordes, Jr. chairman of the board, Blaw-Knox Co.: Letter to Hon. Clinton P. Anderson, chairman, Irrigation and Reclamation Sub- TUESDAY, MAY 18, 1965 U.S. SENATE, SUBCOMMITTEE ON IRRIGATION AND RECLAMATION, OF THE COMMITTEE ON INTERIOR AND INSULAR AFFAIRS, The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:05 a.m., in room 3110, New Senate Office Building, Senator Clinton P. Anderson presiding. Present: Senators Jackson (chairman of the full committee), Anderson (chairman of the subcommittee), Moss, Burdick, and Allott. Also present: Jerry T. Verkler, staff director; Theodore M. Schad, consultant, and Richard N. Little, minority counsel. Senator ANDERSON. I think, in the interest of time, I am going to put my statement into the record as if read. I am personally pleased to see the fine response to the call for hearings on the important subject before us this morning. We have a list of distinguished witnesses who, I am sure, will make a great contribution to the knowledge of the Senate and particularly of this committee. One aspect about future desalting hearings should be mentioned at this time. Chairman Jackson of the full committee has announced his intention to schedule annual hearings hereafter on the "state of the art of desalination." The hearings might be carried out in a fashion similar to those on atomic energy developments and innovations that were held under section 202 of the Atomic Energy Act. I am sure this will be a significant contribution toward keeping our Government and our people aware of the tremendous importance of the desalination program, and I commend Chairman Jackson for his decision. The Subcommittee on Irrigation and Reclamation of the Senate Committee on Interior and Insular Affairs opens its hearings this morning with a twofold purpose in mind: (1) To review the progress in saline water conversion under the expanded authorization provided by Public Law 87-295 which was approved by this committee in 1961, and which authorization expires in fiscal year 1967; and (2) to try to assess where we may be heading in this proposed $275 million, 5-year program to advance desalting technology. On March 29, the President again expressed his personal interests in desalting progress by sending a letter to the President of the Senate and to the Speaker of the House, in which he requested that a major acceleration in advanced desalting technology be authorized in this session of Congress. Legislation to accomplish this acceleration is before the committee in the form of S. 24, a bill to expand, extend, and 1 |