Over the years Pam Munizzi has looked at most of the films that have been shown in the Chicago area. This film "Dead is Dead" is 6 years old, and it really vividly describes the problems that you have in dealing with drugs in any community. But it is 6 years old; it is out of date and in poor condition.

Although there is a lot of material on drugs, the younger people who try to read it are more confused than anything else. Instead of having a number of poor pamphlets, there should be one good pamphlet that really gets to the crux of the problem that can be used throughout the country.

We went out and purchased a pamphlet that was prepared in California which we don't have here, but was very descriptive of the problems. Ninety-nine percent of the children won't even look at the material that you receive from the State and Federal Government.

I think you should take a closer look at this. And you will discover how they really can't get through all this. It is very difficult for a grade school student to read some of this material.

Closely related to this necessity for educational support is the need for Congress to impose strict restrictions on advertising drugs. The Federal Government does regulate advertisements for liquor and tobacco. But it handles drug advertising with undue deference. That failure should be corrected.

The Federal Government sees fit to restrict alcohol advertising on TV. I believe they should restrict the advertising of all drugs on TV. Third, the Federal Government must impose more stringent laws and regulations with criminal penalties for violation by manufacturers, distributors, wholesalers, retailers, and prescribers. It seems like we are more concerned many times about the pusher. But you and I know many of the drug problems relate to drugs that are manufactured in our country and not those that are illicitly brought up through Mexico, or to the east or west coast. To me, it is very important to deal with the manufacturer.

Finally, I believe that the full resources of the Federal Government must be brought to bear on the problem of drug abuse. A nation that is less interested in the health of its young people than in the preservation of our natural resources needs to reorder its priorities. The Government should realize the well-being of its young people is our greatest national resource.

The Chicago Police Department's effort is an example, of what local police can do. But the Chicago Police Department cannot handle the difficult problem of illicit drugs coming from foreign countries.

I think the Department of Justice with all its power and with all the large appropriations it has each year should evaluate its priorities and say to the people of our country that every U.S. attorney throughout our country should devote at least 1 or 2 weeks each year to investigating the drug abuse problem.

Instead, we highlight one example-one big bust. The highlighting of this one example is very, very small because major drug transactions happen every day in every community, not only in the city, but throughout our country.

And without a vigorous and sustained Federal effort to stop illegal drug trafficking, I despair of the prospects for eliminating substance

abuse. Perhaps public pressure for these efforts would mount more quickly if citizens realized that their tax dollars are directly and indirectly supporting narcotic habits throughout the country and if they faced up to the fact that no neighborhood is immune to drug abuse.

This is a nationwide problem. It demands the entire Nation's serious attention.

I will be happy to consider your questions.

[Senator Daley's prepared statement appears on p. 481.]

Mr. MURPHY. Senator Daley, let me thank you for a most informative statement and especially with regard to the particular pamphlets and movies available for instruction of our youngsters in the grammar school. I know of your continuing effort to work within your legislative district and throughout the city of Chicago, bringing films into the classrooms and getting into the homes and to the recreational centers where the children gather in your legislative district.

And I know you have been at this a long time, even before it became popular around the country.

Î, too, share with you the concern that we must have relevant materials in our drug education programs.

The drug culture has become much more sophisticated. It deals with licit drugs now, drugs that are legal and we can get at the drugstore with prescriptions.

And I know my good friend Peter Bensinger, the Director of DEA, shares this concern.

In fact, during your statement, I leaned over to the chief counsel, and this is one of the things I have been recommending to the Select Committee on Narcotics Abuse and Control. I would like someone with stature, personality, and character of a Bill Cosby to be contacted by the Federal Government. And have him produce a meaningful film where we can talk to the youngsters, not talk down to them, but talk with them. We must prepare drug information that has some meaning to young people.

I appreciate your bringing this to the attention of the committee today. You and I have talked about it over the years. And it has been a failing on the part of the Federal Government to pursue this educational area.

I would like the committee to meet Pam Munizzi, your assistant in your district. And we congratulate you on your fine work, Pam. And I would just like the committee to recognize you and for the record to show she is in attendance today with the Senator.

Mrs. Collins?

Mrs. COLLINS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Senator Daley, do you know of-or in your capacity as chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee-have you made any special effort or appeal to the FDA or other Federal agencies to place controls on Talwin?

Senator DALEY. I believe the Illinois Drug Commissioner, Tom Kirkpatrick, will be testifying this morning or this afternoon. He has made such recommendations, I believe.

Mrs. COLLINS. You mentioned penalties in your statement. Do you know of any legal penalties that have been applied in the case of

Talwin and other similar drugs which involved either the users or distributors?

Senator DALEY. When you look at the records of the Department of Registration and Education of Illinois, you discover that very few licenses have ever been revoked.

But getting back to your question, I think the manufacturer is critical. The manufacturer is the one that you have to really regulate more than anyone else. If they are going to distribute 21/2 million pills on the near west side or near south side to a pharmacist located in a small community, it says something about the manufacturer.

I believe that the taxpayers of Illinois are supporting the profit and loss statements of all the large drug companies throughout our country. If it wasn't for the Federal Government, you wouldn't receive those dividends from those drug companies if you have any stock in it. I think the manufacturer of the drug in our country is the main problem. Part of the problem is maybe the pharmacist and the doctor, but the manufacturer.

Mrs. COLLINS. Thank you very much.

Mr. MURPHY. Mr. Railsback?

Mr. RAILSBACK. I want to apologize for being late. I forgot about Chicago traffic; and I stayed out a little bit too late last night, so I didn't get started on time.

I want to really commend you for the initiative that you have taken in your own particular legislative district which I think is something that many of us have not done and should probably consider doing.

But is there any kind of a format or program or what materials do you have that might be available to others that might want to do the same thing?

Senator DALEY. What we used was we looked at a number of movies, efforts of Congressmen. And we selected the movie "Dead is Dead" which is 6 years old. Then, we looked at all the material and eventually we came up with a brochure that was distributed out of California which I paid for. And we distributed copies of it. They are very effective.

During the lunch hour of a company, Pam went to factories and showed the film and distributed the material. And she went to the high schools and grammar schools. And, of course, she met with all the teachers in the area to tell them about the problem.

There are only two people-the parent and the teacher who can recognize whether or not a young child is on any type of drugs. And the frightening thing is the fear that people have of talking about it to anybody.

We finally asked the people if they know of anybody or have seen suspicious characters around schools or around playing lots. They were afraid to call anybody.

So we handed out 3 by 5 cards. And if they had a license plate or something of a suspected drug pusher in the area, maybe they would send it into the Chicago Police or contact our police commander.

John Haberkorn did an outstanding job, but people are afraid to report suspected dealers to the police. And we even ask them: "Do you know anybody?" And a woman stood up and said, "I never, never mention it because you are talking about a $1 billion industry." That

was the fear. It is really frightening when you start talking about it to parents.

Mr. RAILSBACK. May I ask if it is your view that the nature of the problem has changed? In other words, we used to be concerned about heroin, but with some of the nonnarcotic analgesic substitutes, are you finding that there is trouble with the "T's and the Blues"?

Senator DALEY. If you take a young child that has been watching TV for 15 years of his life and he thinks an aspirin is the best thing to get up with in the morning and go to sleep at night, that's what happens. Many, many young people think they can take a tablet and solve many of their problems.

Mr. RAILSBACK. Too, when you are talking against some of the advertising that we see

Senator DALEY. Most advertising, I would say.

Mr. RAILSBACK [continuing]. You are not limiting it to pain killers or anything like that.

Senator DALEY. I am not limiting it to pain killers.

Mr. RAILSBACK. What are you talking about?

Senator DALEY. Drug dependency by younger people.

Mr. RAILSBACK. I must say that I am inclined to share our concern regarding this. We have had hearings in Washington. We know that, for instance, many women find it very, very easy to get drugs such as Delmane, Valium, Librium, and some of the other tranquilizers. It seems to me that we have not done a very good job, on the Federal level in getting the Food and Drug Administration to become involved in recognizing that there may be many problems that are not necessarily related just to some of the schedule I or schedule II drugs.

I just have one other question. When Illinois put Talwin on as a schedule II State listing; is your schedule II practically identical with the Federal schedule?

Senator DALEY. Yes; I think they are just about the same. I think that Illinois was really a step forward in scheduling Talwin. And I really praise the Commission members and its executive director who did that.

Mr. RAILSBACK. As you know, that is one thing we have not been able to do yet on the Federal level. We don't have Talwin listed as anything.

Mr. MURPHY. Schedule IV.

Mr. RAILSBACK. Well anyway, I simply want to commend you and say that I hope there will be others who follow your leadership. Senator DALEY. Thank you.

Mr. MURPHY. Chief counsel?

Mr. NELLIS. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Senator, thank you very much for your statement. Could I ask Ms. Munizzi a question please?

Senator DALEY. Sure.

Mr. NELLIS. Do you receive the materials on drug abuse prevention that are put out by the National Institute on Drug Abuse and distributed through the Single-State Agency, Mr. Kirkpatrick's Commission?

Ms. MUNIZZI. No; not to my knowledge. I have several forms of information and pamphlets or whatever that they distribute, but I don't know-I have contacted most of them.

Mr. NELLIS. You are not familiar with the NIDA materials?

Ms. MUNIZZI. We get most of the materials.

Mr. NELLIS. Let me ask you, do you find them useful?

Ms. MUNIZZI. No. They are either put on such a high level that students cannot relate to them or such a low level that adults cannot relate to them. We are looking for something kind of general.

Mr. NELLIS. Is that why you had to go to California to find a piece of equipment that you could use?

Ms. MUNIZZI. Yes; we did.

Mr. NELLIS. It seems an awful shame, Mr. Chairman, because NIDA spends approximately $3.5 million a year in prevention programs that don't seem to prevent nor do they work. And here, we have a case of a local community looking for materials, the Federal Government spending money to provide this material, and it is useless and apparently, as you say, doesn't appeal to either the child or the adult. Ms. MUNIZZI. Right.

Mr. NELLIS. Senator, let me ask you one question if I may. I notice that you talk about restrictions on advertising and stricter regulation. When you speak of stricter regulation, are you talking about some change in the Control Substances Act or do you mean placing more and more of the so-called licit drugs on schedule? Is that what you mean? Senator DALEY. Yes. I think there should be a reevaluation of the drug industry itself, the amount of drugs that are going into communities, whether or not the Federal Government or State government follows if they are selling 10 million aspirin in some small drugstore in a community, you know who they are really selling it to.

Mr. NELLIS. If you changed that to Talwin, you would have a real example.

Senator DALEY. That's right, but there are so many other drugs that are being dispersed in communities throughout our country that no one really knows about, I think it is up to the Federal Government to see what they are manufacturing. And I think there should be a complete reporting of the manufacturing of drugs and the total amount and where they are distributed, whether they are drugs that are classified. I think they should all be classified, and they should all be completely monitored in accounting by the Federal Government so that someone knows where they are selling all types of drugs.

Mr. NELLIS. I am sure you know that over and over again, this committee has said to drug manufacturers, "Why don't you produce pills towards a legitimate medical need? Why don't you assess legitimate medical need? Then, you won't overproduce pills that wind up on the streets.'

And their answer is, "We cannot assess legitimate medical need and, therefore, we produce according to sales promotion, the regular commercial practices."

And I'm sure you would agree with me, Senator, that when you apply regular commercial advertising and sales practices to the sales of dangerous drugs, you are doing something this country never really anticipated. Would you agree with that?

Senator DALEY. I would agree with it.

Also, putting four or five pills together and swallowing them is another problem. If you take one pill at a time for a valid medical