Hearings

The committee met at 10:10 a.m., pursuant to notice, in room 4232, New Senate Office Building, Senator Lister Hill (chairman of the committee) presiding.

Present: Senators Hill (presiding), McNamara, Yarborough, Clark, Randolph, Burdick, Pell, Kennedy, Javits, Prouty, and Jordan.

Also present: Senator Daniel Brewster, of Maryland.

Committee staff members present: Stewart E. McClure, chief clerk; John Forsythe, general counsel; Michael Bernstein, minority counsel; and Raymond D. Hurley, associate minority counsel.

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will kindly come to order.

We have before us the nomination of Dr. Leland J. Haworth, of New York, to be the Director of the National Science Foundation. Dr. Haworth, will you come forward, please, sir.

Just have a seat there, anywhere.

We will be glad to have you gentlemen come up and join him, if you will, Dr. Seaborg and Dr. Waterman.

Dr. Haworth, we would be very happy to have you make any statement you see fit as to your past experience, qualifications, that you feel you have for this position to which you have been nominated.

STATEMENT OF LELAND J. HAWORTH, MEMBER, ATOMIC ENERGY

COMMISSION

Mr. HAWORTH. Well, Mr. Chairman, I am a physicist whose experience has been in universities, in a national laboratory, and recently with the Atomic Energy Commission.

I think, picking up the most pertinent experience, starting in 1947, I was the assistant director of projects of the Brookhaven National Laboratory which is one of the principal laboratories of the Atomic Energy Commission, the Director of that Laboratory from 1948 until 1961 when I was appointed as a member of the Atomic Energy Commission, on which I have served during the last 2 years.

My interests, of course, have been primarily in physics over most of the period, but in recent years, with the directorship of the Laboratory and membership on the Commission, I have had much wider interests.

I don't know that I have anything in particular to say about qualifications other than experience.

I certainly feel very flattered to be nominated for this position. I only hope that I can carry on the very fine work that Dr. Waterman has done as Director of the Foundation.

Senator JAVITS. Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Senator?

Senator JAVITS. Mr. Haworth is a very distinguished New Yorker with a very distinguished record, and I would certainly commend him very highly to the committee for confirmation.

The CHAIRMAN. Good.

Dr. Seaborg, anything you would like to add as Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission? We will be happy to have anything you might wish to say.

STATEMENT OF GLENN T. SEABORG, CHAIRMAN, ATOMIC ENERGY COMMISSION

Mr. SEABORG. I would just like to say that I appreciate the opportunity of being with you this morning to tell you how fortunate I feel you are, and we are, and the whole country is in having Dr. Haworth for this position. I can tell you that we in the Atomic Energy Commission are very reluctant to lose him, but we recognize that our loss is the National Science Foundation's gain and the country's gain.

I have known Dr. Haworth for about 15 years, and I can commend him to you as an outstanding scientist, a scientist's scientist, an able administrator, and an outstanding individual in every way, and I am sure that he will do an outstanding job in his new position.

I believe that's all that I care to say, Senator.

The CHAIRMAN. Thank you, sir.

We have with us also, Dr. Waterman, who has been the head of the National Science Foundation since its beginning, the Director of the Foundation, and I want to say this on the record, what I said to Dr. Waterman himself a few minutes ago:

I was on this committee at the time we submitted and favorably reported and the Senate passed and the Congress passed the National Science Foundation Act. He has certainly developed the work of the Foundation, and has gone forward, and he has done a job there as Director that has carried out what I might say were the dreams of those who authored and worked on that act in this committee.

You have certainly done a beautiful piece of work as Director, Doctor.

Anything you would like to say, sir?

STATEMENT OF ALAN T. WATERMAN, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION

Mr. WATERMAN. Thank you very much, Senator Hill. I appreciate that.

I do want to add my endorsement and my feeling of personal satisfaction and that of the National Science Board in Dr. Haworth's nomination. I have known Dr. Haworth personally for upward of 20 years, and I can speak with some authority. Everyone who has known him has great confidence in his ability in dealing with research and matters connected with research and education.

The positions he has held in universities and with the national laboratories, and now with the Government in the Atomic Energy

Commission, have given him an ideal background for undertaking this job, and I personally am very pleased about it.

May I add, Mr. Chairman, that, looking back over my tenure with the National Science Foundation, I want to express my very grateful appreciation for the support you an your committee have given the Foundation at all stages. We have all felt that you have had a fine understanding of our problems, and have given us the backing in critical moments that has been very important to us.

The CHAIRMAN. It has certainly been a pleasure working with you, Doctor.

My good friend and former chairman of this committee, DoctorSenator Elbert Thomas-and he was a doctor, too, I believe-of Utah, was one who really dreamed up this idea of the National Science Foundation, and gave so much of his devotion and his labors and his vision to bringing the Foundation into being. And I am sure that if he were on this earth today he would agree with everything I have said about you, sir, your work and your leadership. Any questions, gentlemen?

Senator CLARK. Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Clark.

Senator CLARK. Mr. Haworth, I have nothing but the highest regard for you and your qualifications, and I don't have the slightest doubt I can support your confirmation.

I imagine that you and Mr. Waterman agree that one of the critical unsolved problems with scientific overtones is the enormous population explosion all over the world. I wonder if you could tell us in very general terms what your views are as to the proper role of the National Science Foundation in investigating ways and means of achieving workable programs for population control?

Mr. HAWORTH. Senator Clark, this is not a subject that I have given any particular thought to since being nominated for this position. It seems to me that the role and this is a sort of off-the-cuff opinionthat the role of the Science Foundation in this is the same as it is in most areas; namely, that it should encourage and support research and other activities that lead to an understanding of the problem; that it is not the role of the Foundation to take steps with respect to solving the problem.

Senator CLARK. Is it your view, sir, that the result of should be available to those who want it?

your research

Mr. HAWORTH. In my opinion, the results of all basic research should be available to all people, everywhere.

Senator CLARK. Thank you very much.

The CHAIRMAN. Any further questions?
Senator YARBOROUGH. Mr. Chairman.
The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Yarborough.

Senator YARBOROUGH. Dr. Haworth, I serve on the Commerce Committee as well as this committee, and Senator Magnuson is chairman of that committee. We have been very much concerned over the years with the lag in the research and science in oceanography. We have tried to get substantial appropriations, and finally got a little stripped-down bill through at the last session. And it isn't exactly oceanography, but another. And I will come down to earth now in comparison to the previous question.

Senator CLARK. I think my question was very much on earth. That's the trouble. It is too earthy.

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