Senator YARBOROUGH. We will go a little bit below it then.

I am referring to the contract let for exploration through the earth's crust. It has been under attack. It seems that every time the Government lets a contract for some new scientific advance people attempt to attack it and slow it down and destroy it.

I think research would be very much impeded if every time the Government lets a contract we slow up and fail to move forward to make the scientific research necessary.

I hope that when you are confirmed that you will look into that and lend your scientific knowledge not your authority but your scientific knowledge-toward expediting the research despite these efforts to delay and obstruct the new exploration.

Mr. HAWORTH. Thank you. I shall.

Senator RANDOLPH. Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Randolph.

Senator RANDOLPH. Mr. Haworth, I shall express the hope-and I am certain that it is not necessary to express it, but I want the record to indicate that the impact of automation is a matter of concern to not only Members of the Congress but to our constituents generally. A State like West Virginia, where frankly unemployment is at twice the rate of the national level, finds itself largely in this condition because of advances in technology as applied to the production of bituminous coal.

There are other reasons, but this has been a basic reason for not only our high rate of unemployment, now at more than 12 percent, but also to the loss of population in our State, approximating 7% percent during 1950-60, and that out-migration continuing in 1961 and into 1962.

I indicate again that there are other reasons besides automation, but certainly the technological developments, the use of laborsaving devices, the facilities for the lines of production with manpower lessened, causes, I think, a problem of depth and scope which is alarming, and I ask you only for the record, do you share the feeling that I express of not only finding the facts within the National Science Foundation, within the areas in which you labor, but also attempting properly to dramatize this situation to the American people?

I think that is an important outgrowth of what you shall do. Mr. HAWORTH. Well, Senator Randolph, the role, as I see it-and my answer is very similar to part of my answer to Senator Clark-the role of the Science Foundation, as I see it, in the technical area as distinguished from the educational area, is to encourage and support research of a basic nature that enables us to understand nature, to predict things that we can do in the practical sense, in the scientific sense, even in the cultural sense, and to make that knowledge available freely and openly to the people of this country and other countries so that they can use it in wise ways.

According to my understanding of the role of the Foundation, it does not particularly cover the question of encouraging or directing the application of the knowledge as much as it does the developing of the knowledge and the making of it available.

So I suppose my answer is, in a sense, that your question, the sort of thing you are talking about is, in a sense, sort of beyond the boundary of the role of the Foundation.

Senator RANDOLPH. Thank you, Mr. Haworth.

Mr. HAWORTH. That would be my understanding.
The CHAIRMAN. Any further questions, gentlemen?

If not, we certainly want to thank you gentlemen very, very much for being with us this morning.

Thank you, Dr. Seaborg. Thank you, Dr. Haworth. Dr. Waterman. We are delighted to have had you. (The biographical sketch of Mr. Haworth follows:)

BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH OF LELAND JOHN HAWORTH

Thank you,

Member of Atomic Energy Commission. Born, Flint, Mich., July 11, 1904. Son of Paul Leland and Martha (Ackerman) II. A.B., Indiana University, 1925; A.M., 1926; D. Sc., 1961; Ph. D., University Wisconsin, 1931; D. Sc., Bucknell University, 1961; England D. Stevens Institute Technology, 1961. Married Barbara Mottier, July 2, 1927 (deceased 1961); children, Barbara Jane (Mrs. John Paglia) and John Paul. High school teacher, Indianapolis, 1926-28; instructor physics, University of Wisconsin, 1930-37; Lalor F., physical chemistry, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 1937-38; associate physics. University Illinois, 1938-39, assistant professor physics, 1939-44, professor physics, 194447; staff member Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 1941-46, group leader, 1942-43, division head, 1943-46; assistant director projects Brookhaven National Laboratory, 1947-48; Director 1948-61; member U.S. AEC, 1961-66; vice president Associated Universities, Inc., 1951-60, president 1960-61; member U.S. Atomic Energy Commission 1961- Recipient certificate of merit from President. U.S. member American Institute of Physics, American Nuclear Society (director 1955-60, president 1957-58), American Physical Society, Phi Beta Kappa, Sigma Xi, Gamma Alpha. Lambda Chi Alpha. Club: Cosmos. Author numerous articles for professional science journals, also several chapters of Radiation Laboratory Technical Series. Home: Cliff Road, Belle Terre, Port Jefferson, Long Island, N.Y. Office: Atomic Energy Commission, Washington 25, D.C.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, Senator Brewster, would you come forward, please, sir, and bring Mr. Ordman with you?

STATEMENT OF HON. DANIEL B. BREWSTER, A U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF MARYLAND

Senator BREWSTER. Thank you, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Brewster, we have now before us the nomination of Mr. Arnold Ordman, of Maryland, to be General Counsel for the National Labor Relations Board for a term of 4 years.

Senator, we are very happy to have you with us this morning, and would be glad to have you make any statements you see fit on this nomination.

Senator BREWSTER. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman and members of the committee.

As the chairman has stated, Mr. Arnold Ordman, who sits here beside me, a resident of Wheaton, Md., has been nominated by the President for the post of General Counsel of the National Labor Relations Board.

As you will note from the biographical sketch that has been filed with the committee, Mr. Ordman is 51 years old, was born in New Hampshire and educated in Massachusetts.

At Boston University he was elected to the Phi Beta Kappa Society, and received his bachelor of arts degree in 1933. Following that, he attended the Harvard Law School, and graduated from Harvard in 1936, and was admitted to the bar of Massachusetts in the same year.

After his graduation he participated in the private practice of the law until 1943, when he went into the U.S. Navy, served as an officer in both the Atlantic and the Pacific.

On his honorable separation from the U.S. Navy, he began his Government career, when he was appointed as an attorney under the General Counsel of the National Labor Relations Board in 1946. Since that time he has had varied legal experience with the National Labor Relations Board, including a tour of duty in the quasi-judicial post of hearing examiner, and, finally, a brief period as Chief Counsel to the Chairman of the NLRB.

His Government career covers 17 years of service with the NLRB, of which 13 years have been spent in assignments under the Office of the General Counsel. In these various assignments Mr. Ordman has demonstrated that he is an attorney of considerable ability and one who has a wide and thorough knowledge of labor law.

I am happy to present him to this committee, and recommend that this committee confirm his nomination.

Mr. Chairman, thank you very much for letting me appear. And Mr. Ordman is here beside me.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Ordman, we would be happy to have you make a statement now, sir, as to your qualifications for the position. Is there anything you would like to add to what Senator Brewster said?

STATEMENT OF ARNOLD ORDMAN, CHIEF COUNSEL, CHAIRMAN, NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS BOARD

Mr. ORDMAN. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, I consider it both an honor and a privilege to appear before you this morning in regard to my nomination by the President of the United States to the office of General Counsel of the National Labor Relations Board.

A brief biographical sketch has been submitted to the committee, and, if appropriate, I ask that it be included in the record of this hearing.

The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, we will place that in the record immediately following your remarks, Mr. Ordman.

Mr. ORDMAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I think I can probably be most helpful to this committee by not recapitulating the facts that are already in my biographical statement and that Senator Brewster has been kind enough to make in my behalf. I would like to say only that this nomination caps some 17 years of service which I have devoted to this agency and to the Government, and, if confirmed by the U.S. Senate, I pledge myself to exert every effort to carry out the will of Congress as expressed in the National Labor Relations Act.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be very happy to answer any questions that you, Mr. Chairman, and the members of the committee may have.

The CHAIRMAN. Any questions, gentlemen?

Senator PROUTY. Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Prouty.

Senator PROUTY. First may I say, Mr. Ordman, that your New England antecedents commend you to me.

I think Senator Javits asked you a question earlier, and it had something to do with discrimination.

Mr. ORDMAN. That is correct. Senator Javits asked me in the event he was not present to answer a question, and the question as he framed it, as nearly as I took it down, was:

"What is your attitude toward the National Labor Relations Board taking action against racial discrimination by unions as an unfair labor practice?"

The Board has already expressed itself to some extent in this regard. It has indicated-and I share that view fully-that racial discrimination by unions is as reprehensible as racial discrimination in any other phase of our American life, and, to the extent that the National Labor Relations Act permits of remedial action being taken in that regard in unfair labor practice proceedings, I pledge myself to carry out that action fully.

Senator PROUTY. To what extent does the National Labor Relations Act permit you to take such steps?

Mr. ORDMAN. This is a question, in fairness, on which the Board itself is divided. A majority of the Board has suggested in the Miranda Fuel case, which did not involve precisely a question of racial discrimination but involved a question of discrimination by unions, that the Board has authority to act against such discrimination.

The courts will have to finally resolve that question, but I believe that it is imperative that that problem be clarified, and I shall do everything in my power to see that it is clarified.

The CHAIRMAN. Any further questions?
Senator YARBOROUGH. Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Senator Yarborough.

Senator YARBOROUGH. A New Englander, a Phi Beta Kappa, Harvard Law School, U.S. Navy, U.S. Government employee for 17 years. You couldn't have missed.

Mr. ORDMAN. Thank you, Senator.

The CHAIRMAN. Senator, was that a question or was that an observation?

Senator YARBOROUGH. I was complimenting the man for having one of the most perfect sheets of credentials I have ever seen in my life. The CHAIRMAN. Any further questions or observations, gentlemen? If not, Senator Brewster, we certainly want to thank you for your appearance here this morning, and want to thank you, too, Mr. Ordman.

Mr. ORDMAN. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

(The biographical sketch of Mr. Ordman follows:)

BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH OF Arnold OrdmaN, WHEATON, MD.

Born: Somersworth, N.H., on February 16, 1912.

Parents: Rev. Maurice J. Ordman and Anna Pierce Ordman.

Family: Wife, Evelyn R. Ordman; sons, Edward Thorne, 18, Kenyon College; Alfred Bram, 14, Belt Junior High School.

Education: Elementary and high school education in Peabody, Mass. Undergraduate education, Boston University, bachelor of arts, 1933, Phi Beta Kappa. Legal education, Harvard Law School., bachelor of laws, 1936.

1937-42: Private practice of law in Salem, Mass.

1942-45: Service in the U.S. Navy as signal officer on U.S.S. New York in the Atlantic and Pacific theaters.

1946-59: Attorney for the National Labor Relations Board in the Office of the General Counsel.

1959-61: Trial examiner for the National Labor Relations Board.

1961 to date: Chief Counsel to the Chairman of the National Labor Relations Board.

The CHAIRMAN. Thank you very much.

The committee will now go into executive session.

(Whereupon, at 10:30 a.m., the committee proceeded into executive session.)

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