Chairman McKELLAR. Where do they go? Do you have your own schools? Mr. HUMELSINE. They allow us to use vacancies from their particular school. Chairman MCKELLAR. When you say "they" whom do you mean? Mr. HUMELSINE. The Defense Establishment. Chairman McKELLAR. In other words, you get the appropriation and they furnish the training? Mr. HUMELSINE. No. Chairman MCKELLAR. Why should we appropriate money for the State Department when you use it in another department, or turn it over to another department? Mr. HUMELSINE. Senator, in this particular case they run the particular schools and get the appropriations-all we do is send a few students there, a few students that show aptitude for the work. Chairman McKELLAR. But you say you increase the number of employees for that work. Is it two or three hundred? Mr. MARTIN. No, sir. Chairman MCKELLAR. How many is it? Mr. MARTIN. One hundred and fifteen positions in all types of training. Chairman McKELLAR. I want to know how many you are asking for? APPROPRIATION DUPLICATION Mr. MARTIN. The same number as last year. That covers all types of training, not just the training at the war colleges. Chairman MCKELLAR. It seems to me you are getting appropriations in two ways, for defense and for this purpose. You are asking for this, and why should you undertake to train the Army? Mr. HUMELSINE. Senator, we are not training the Army. Mr. HUMELSINE. They are running the schools, which are set up and all we do is send some of our officers to attend their schools. They do the entire job of operating the schools. We send a few of our employees there each year, rather than to set up separate schools of our own because we are not a large enough service for that type of thing. Chairman MCKELLAR. I think you ought to let the Army, Navy and Air Corps alone. I think the State Department ought to let the Army, Air Corps and Navy alone in performing these duties. It is not part of your duty to look after the Army, Navy and Air Corps. Mr. HUMELSINE. That is right, sir; it is not. Senator ELLENDER. You say you have 115 men-are those teachers? Mr. HUMELSINE. Those are students. For instance, not all of those go to these schools. Senator ELLENDER. You require $129,000. What do you pay? Mr. HUMELSINE. Just their salary. Chairman MCKELLAR. What do you pay them? Mr. HUMELSINE. Whatever their salary happens to be, Senator. Chairman McKELLAR. I want to know what it is; you are paying out of the Government money, and I want to know what it is. Mr. HUMELSINE. If it were, say, a Foreign Service officer of class 3? Chairman MCKELLAR. What does that mean? Mr. MARTIN. It would be $8,000 to $8,500, I would say. Chairman McKELLAR. These students, you pay them $8,000 a year? Mr. HUMELSINE. Yes, sir, whatever his class was, that would be the salary. Senator MCCARRAN. See if I have this picture right in my mind. An individual takes his basic training for Foreign Service; that is his career. He goes to some school and gets the basic training for that. He has to pass Civil Service before he can get initially into the State Department? Mr. HUMELSINE. Either Civil Service or the Foreign Service, one or the other. Senator MCCARRAN. He goes in and spends a period of time in there and you give him what I would choose to call a kind of refresher course? Mr. MARTIN. That is right. Mr. HUMELSINE. Yes, sir. Senator MCCARRAN. And you have to make available to him or your State Department does, any schools that are competent to give this course at the least possible expense, so you picked the military schools. What surprises me is that he can get diplomatic training out of a military school. I can see how that might be done, too, when you think about it. Mr. HUMELSINE. That is a very broad-gaged course that they run in these schools. These are advanced military schools. Each one is the senior school that they have. Senator MCCARRAN. In which they give their people diplomatic training? Mr. HUMELSINE. Yes, sir. For example, you take a specialistwell, take a man who specializes in Russian affairs. We will want to send him to take a language course so that he will become proficient in the language so that he can carry on his business better. He will go to the school and, say, study Russian for a year. Senator MCCARRAN. I just wanted to get the thing cleared up. Senator ELLENDER. Why is it necessary to pay him a salary for a whole year? Chairman MCKELLAR. $8,000. Senator ELLENDER. Yes, $8,000. Why could he not be prepared to advance at his own expense and not let it be at the Government expense? Mr. MARTIN. The course is a 9-month course and what we have given you is the annual salary. As to the question of why he cannot get this education and prepare himself in advance, this is advanced education in the sense of additional training which we feel he needs to bring to the Foreign Service. He cannot possibly get it. As a private citizen he could not possibly go to a Service school. OFFICIALS WITH 10 OR MORE YEARS OF SERVICE WHO HAVE HAD WARCOLLEGE TRAINING Chairman McKELLAR. Do you know any official in the Department who came from one of these schools and has been with the Department 10 years? Mr. MARTIN. Yes, sir. Chairman MCKELLAR. Will you provide us the names? Mr. MARTIN. I will be glad to. (The information referred to is as follows:) There follows the names of the officers who have had War College training and have been in the Department 10 or more years: George M. Abbott, Garret G. Ackerson, Jr., Ware Adams, Daniel V. Anderson, Willard F. Barber, John O. Bell, Maurice M. Bernbaum, Max W. Bishop, John H. Bruins, John M. Cabot, John W. Carrigan, William P. Cochran, Jr., Leonard J. Cromie, Leo G. Cyr, Allan Dawson, Edward A. Dow, Jr., Charles B. Elbrick, Howard Elting, Jr., John K. Emmerson, James Espy, Herbert P. Fales, Walton C. Ferris, Fulton Freeman. Willard Galbraith, Edmund A. Gullion, John W. Halderman, Raymond A. Hare, Norris S. Haselton, L. Randolph Higgs, Norris N. Hughes, Perry N. Jester, George Lewis Jones, Jr., Gerald Keith. Charles F. Knox, Jr., Foy D. Kohler, Edwin A. Lightner, Jr., Cecil B. Lyon, Walter P. McConaughy, Roy M. Melbourne, Fred T. Merrill, Jack D. Neal, Alfred T. Nester, Robert Newbegin, Paul E. Paddock, Jr., Edward Page, Jr., J. Graham Parsons, Avery F. Peterson, James B. Pilcher. John C. Pool, Leonard H. Price, Arthur L. Richards, Arthur R. Ringwalt, David A. Robertson, Harry H. Schwartz, William P. Snow, Henry E. Stebbins, Francis B. Stevens, Robert M. Taylor, Charles W. Thayer, Tyler Thompson, Clare H. Timberlake, William C. Trimble, Howard Trivers, Walter N. Walmsley, Eric C. Wendelin, Evan M. Wilson, Murray M. Wise, Robert F. Woodward. AMERICAN REORIENTATION Senator MCCARRAN. The next item is "American reorientation." Will you give us an explanation on that, referring to page 155? Mr. MARTIN. Yes, sir. Senator MCCARRAN. What do you mean by American reorientation? FUNCTION OF PROGRAM Mr. MARTIN. This is a program, Mr. Chairman, which we have worked out over the past 2 or 3 years, of bringing back to the United States some of our Foreign Service people who have served for long periods overseas without an opportunity to come back and live and work in the United States, to refresh themselves on it. Perhaps the word "reorientation" is a misnomer, but we took it for the lack of a better choice. What we do is bring them back here, and, say, let them go with the Tennessee Valley Authority for 6 months, or with the United States Forest Service in Denver, Colo. That gives them an opportunity to see the work of our domestic machinery and our political and economic life and how we live here. We feel that it is a very desirable thing. COMPARISON OF FOREIGN SERVICE EMPLOYEES Chairman MCKELLAR. Mr. Chairman, to show you how extravagant a thing it is, I would like to put into the record the statistics that have been furnished me about these employees abroad. |