Senator BRIDGES. A passenger flying several thousand feet in the air is completely at the mercy of the other passengers and crew.

It seems to me that certainly when they call attention to the situation and the stewardess says, "I am sorry," there ought to be some recourse to it. I am not saying that you should have done this. I am just calling attention to the problem that certainly might get into the safety factor which might be within your province.

Senator MCCARRAN. A person under the influence of liquor should not be permitted to go on the plane as a passenger.

Mr. NYROP. I agree with you.

Senator FERGUSON. Is there any rule about serving liquor on the plane?

Mr. NYROP. No, sir. There is no prohibition.

Senator FERGUSON. Are there any State laws?

Mr. NYROP. No, sir; none that I know of.

Senator FERGUSON. On foreign airplanes they serve liquor, such as on the Scandinavian lines and the Dutch Airlines. They claim that is the way they get business.

MANNING OF CAA PLANES

Senator ELLENDER. I would like to ask a question with respect to the airplanes owned by the CAA. Is the plane, each airplane, provided with a crew?

Mr. NYROP. No, sir.

Senator ELLENDER. Where do you get the pilots?

NUMBER AND SALARY OF CAA PILOTS

Mr. NYROP. The pilots for 85 airplanes can roughly be divided into three groups. They are the regular pilots who fly the airplanes on flight inspection trips.

Senator ELLENDER. How many of those have you?

Mr. NYROP. Forty-four.

Senator ELLENDER. How much are they paid?

Mr. NYROP. About $6,200 per year.

Senator ELLENDER. They are not paid the same amount as these

other pilots?

Mr. NYROP. No, sir.

SALARY OF AIRLINE CAPTAIN

Senator FERGUSON. What do the airplane captains get?

Mr. NYROP. An airline captain's salary depends on three or four things: One, the type of equipment he is flying; two, the amount of night flight three, the amount of instrument operation.

The average captain's salary for a DC-3 would probably run in the neighborhood of $9,000 to $10,000 per year, depending on the route.

For the larger type of equipment, it will run as high as $14,000 per

year.

Senator FERGUSON. Are these people under civil service or are they graded?

Mr. NYROP. Yes, sir.

Senator FERGUSON. How about your mechanics? Are they paid in the same way, under civil-service ratings?

Mr. NYROP. Mechanics are under civil service.

Senator FERGUSON. How many pilots have you regularly employed to operate these 85 planes?

Mr. NYROP. A total of 50 pilots.

Senator FERGUSON. What is your total employment in relation to the use of these planes? How many people do they require? Do you have stewards on the planes? Also, pilots, copilots, and map people, et cetera ?

Mr. NYROP. We have electronics engineers that travel on the DC-3 equipment.

Senator FERGUSON. A navigator?

Mr. NYROP. We do not use navigators, or stewardesses, or stewards Senator FERGUSON. Will you give us the total number and the cost. of the operation of those planes?

Mr. NYROP. Yes, sir.

(The information follows:)

Senator BRIDGES. Going back to my problem, I respect your thought that the Federal Government should not get into that. Assume, for a moment, you are absolutely correct. I may not concur with you, but assume at the moment you are correct. Would it not be entirely proper for you to call this to the attention of management by the use of a circular the fact that this has been brought up and ask them as part of their instructions to their personnel that they pass this matter on?

Mr. NYROP. My answer I gave you a few minutes ago was not complete, Senator.

The airlines themselves have their own manuals called operation manuals. They have the instructions to the various people in operations, including the stewardesses, the copilot, and the captain. The airline manuals contain specific instructions with regard to the handling of disorders in the cabin which the stewardess is to report to the captain or copilot. He is the person to maintain order in the cabin if it is not appropriate for the steward or stewardess to do so. Senator FERGUSON. Do any of those rules prohibit persons who are drunk entering an airplane?

Mr. NYROP. It is the general practice of the airlines not to allow a person under the influence of liquor to get on an airplane.

Senator BRIDGES. Getting back to the financial end of it, how many employees, all told, do you have now in the 1951, and how many are you requesting, in the appropriation covering 1952? Mr. NYROP. Mr. Schuler will answer that.

PERSONNEL TOTALS FOR 1951

Mr. SCHULER. For the maintenance of the aircraft, exclusive of the pilot, equipment, but for the maintenance and people involved in maintaining aircraft, the mechanics, the clerks required, and that type of thing, there are 229. To that we should add the 44 pilots, or a total of 273 for 1951.

For 1952, the figure will be increased by 15 to a total of 288.

Senator BRIDGES. On your over-all appropriation, how many total employees did you have on 1951, and how many are you requesting under 1952? In other words, is that an increase or decrease?

Mr. SCHULER. The total is 16,096 for 1952. Authorized in 1951, 15,485. So there is an addition; there is an increase of 611 positions. Senator BRIDGES. I have before me a statement given to us by the Department of Commerce which figures different from that. The figure here shows, 1951, there are 17,611 positions, 16,800 average employment, and in 1952 you are asking for 18,172 positions, an average employment of 17,356.

Why do your figures differ from theirs?

Mr. SCHULER. The figures I gave you are for the salaries and expenses appropriation that I understood we were discussing.

The figures of the Department schedule are a consolidation of this book you have in front of you. There is no difference. The figures I gave you are for only one appropriation item, for the salaries and expenses item.

Mr. NYROP. We have other accounts, such as the operation of the Washington National Airport.