NOMINATIONS OF DONALD MANCUSO TO BE INSPECTOR GENERAL, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE; ROGER W. KALLOCK TO BE DEPUTY UNDER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE FOR LOGISTICS AND MATERIEL READINESS; AND JAMES E. BAKER TO BE A JUDGE OF THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE ARMED FORCES

WEDNESDAY, JULY 26, 2000

U.S. SENATE,

COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES,

Washington, DC.

The committee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:35 a.m., in room SR222, Russell Senate Office Building, Senator Tim Hutchinson, presiding.

Committee members present: Senators Hutchinson, Inhofe, Levin and Reed.

Other senators present: Senator Voinovich.

Committee staff members present: Romie L. Brownlee, staff director; Scott W. Stucky, general counsel.

Professional staff members present: Charles S. Abell, William C. Greenwalt, George W. Lauffer, Patricia L. Lewis, and Cord A. Sterling.

Minority staff members present: David S. Lyles, staff director for the minority; Peter K. Levine, minority counsel; Michael J. McCord, professional staff member.

Staff assistants present: Sharen E. Reaves, Michele A. Traficante Committee members' assistants present: Gregory C. McCarthy, assistant to Senator Inhofe; George M. Bernier, III, assistant to Senator Santorum; Robert Alan McCurry, assistant to Senator Roberts; Michael P. Ralsky, assistant to Senator Hutchinson; Arch Galloway, II, assistant to Senator Sessions; Menda S. Fife, assistant to Senator Kennedy; William K. Sutey, assistant to Senator Robb; and Elizabeth King, assistant to Senator Reed.

OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR TIM HUTCHINSON

Senator HUTCHINSON. The committee will come to order. Senator Levin is en route. So we are going to go ahead and begin, but he should be joining us very shortly.

The committee meets today to receive testimony concerning three civilian nominations. Mr. Donald Mancuso has been Nominated to

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be Inspector General of the Department of Defense. Mr. Roger Kallock has been nominated to be the Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Logistics and Materiel Readiness. Mr. James Baker has been nominated to be a Judge with the United States Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces.

I support each of these nominations. I am pleased that the Secretary of Defense and the President decided to recommend each of you for these important positions.

Mr. Mancuso, we are all familiar with you through your many years of exposure to this Committee as the Director of the Defense Criminal Investigative Service, as Deputy Inspector General and now as the acting Inspector General.

I would remind my colleagues that under Senate rules, the Governmental Affairs Committee will receive sequential referral of all of the inspectors general nominations. Following our disposition of Mr. Mancuso's nomination, the nomination will be referred to the Governmental Affairs Committee for a period not to exceed 20 days.

Mr. Kallock has been nominated to a new position within the Department of Defense. He will be the first Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Logistics and Materiel Readiness. This position was established in the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2000, to ensure that the Department of Defense is adequately prepared to address the numerous issues in the conduct of logistics, maintenance, materiel readiness and the sustainment support in the Department of Defense, to include supply and transportation. Mr. Baker is currently serving as a special adviser to the President and legal adviser to the National Security Council. He has been nominated to serve a 15-year term as a Judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces, filling the seat of Judge Walter T. Cox, III. That is a very important position on the Court that hears appeals of military justice matters.

Mr. Mancuso, I understand that your wife Jo Ann, your son Robert, and your parents are here with you today. Is that correct? Mr. MANCUSO. Yes, they are.

Senator HUTCHINSON. Would you care to introduce them to us? Mr. MANCUSO. Yes, I will. I have my parents, Domenick and Angela Mancuso. I am proud to note that my father was a combat medic in World War II.

My daughter Donna is an elementary school teacher. My son Robert is following in my footsteps as a Special Agent with the Social Security Administration in Connecticut.

Senator HUTCHINSON. Very good. We are honored to have you. Thank you for telling us that.

Mr. Kallock, I understand that your wife Gail, and your son William, your daughter Carolyn and her husband Allen, other members of your family are here with you today. Would you care to introduce them?

Mr. KALLOCK. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for the opportunity to introduce my wife Gail; my son Bill; my daughter Carrie, and her husband Dennis Hepner; my sister Carolyn, and Allen Roberts; and also sister-in-law Betsy Aster. In addition, we have a long-time friend and the consummate American volunteer in the political process, Hazel Marcy.

Senator HUTCHINSON. Excellent. We are so pleased to have them, honored to have them. We know it is a happy day for you.

Mr. Baker, I understand that your wife Lori and your parents are here with you today.

Mr. BAKER. Yes, they are, sir.

Senator HUTCHINSON. Would you introduce them?

Mr. BAKER. I would like to introduce them: My wife Lori; and my parents, Molly and Jim Flinder.

Senator HUTCHINSON. OK. Thank you for joining us.

Before we hear from our nominees today, let me recognize Senator Reed who has another hearing, but has an opening statement. STATEMENT OF SENATOR JACK REED

Senator REED. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

I want to welcome Mr. Mancuso, Mr. Kallock and particularly Jimmy Baker.

I have had the privilege of knowing Jimmy for several years now. He is an extraordinarily gifted attorney, special assistant to the President, legal adviser, National Security Council. He overcame a lot in his life. He went to Yale College, and law school. Still he has managed to make a success of himself. [Laughter.]

He is going on to the Court of Military Appeals. Not only does he have an extraordinary legal mind and great experience, but he has something else. He was a Marine Corps officer, a rifle platoon leader.

I think he brings to that Court both, respectively, a good lawyer but also someone who had the privilege of leading American Marines, fighting men and women. That, I think, will make him an extraordinary member of the Bench, and I am just enthusiastic in support of his nomination.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Senator HUTCHINSON. Thank you, Senator Reed.

I know before we hear our nominees that we are very privileged to have one of our colleagues join us today, Senator Voinovich, who would like to say some introductory remarks on behalf of Mr. Kallock.

Senator Voinovich.

STATEMENT OF HON. GEORGE VOINOVICH, U.S. SENATOR FROM OHIO

Senator VOINOVICH. Thank you, Senator Hutchinson.

I appreciate the opportunity to be here to speak on behalf of Roger Kallock, who has been nominated to be Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Logistics and Materiel Readiness.

I would also, as you have already done, recognize his wife Gail and the rest of his family, particularly his son Bill. In fact, it was because of Bill that I got to know Roger. Bill's son and my son Peter went to high school together.

Until my election to the Senate, I had not seen Roger for several years. Shortly after I was sworn in, though, I was pleasantly surprised to bump into him on an airline flight to Washington, and find that he was in government service as well. Today, he and I regularly run into one another on flights between Cleveland and Washington.

Prior to his being appointed Deputy Under Secretary of Defense, Roger was a successful businessman back in Ohio. It is a true testament to his sense of duty and service to his nation that he has answered the call to serve.

As Chairman of the Subcommittee on Oversight of Government Management of the Governmental Affairs Committee, it is my observation that too often we do not have people with the kind of knowledge, background and management experience that Mr. Kallock possesses.

In this instance, I am pleased that we have someone of Roger's caliber. Mr. Chairman, I am sure you and your staff are impressed with what he has already accomplished.

Mr. Kallock's 40-year background in logistics and management is, indeed, impressive and makes him a perfect fit for the Department of Defense. He has worked with Proctor and Gamble in distribution and customer service. He has created his own business, the Cleveland Consulting Associates, which is a pioneer corporation in the integration of logistics management and information capabilities. Most recently, he was managing partner of Computer Science Corporation.

Mr. Chairman, in the many conversations I have had with Roger, I have always been impressed with his sincere commitment to make a difference for his country and contribute to the improvement of our national defense, particularly in the area of his expertise.

I am comforted to realize that someone like Roger, with his background and his knowledge, wants to serve his country when he could be doing so many other things and, quite frankly, getting paid a lot more money to do so.

I would also like to thank Roger's wife Gail and his family for the sacrifice they are making so that Roger can serve his nation. His selflessness is a common trait that I have come to find in a vast majority of those in the Federal workforce. I believe Roger Kallock is the ideal candidate for this position. I urge the Committee to report his nomination as quickly as possible, so that the full Senate will be able to vote on his confirmation in the near future. I thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for the courtesy you have extended to me this morning.

Senator HUTCHINSON. Thank you, Senator. We appreciate those kind words, and I am sure Mr. Kallock appreciates your support as well.

Mr. Mancuso, we will recognize you first. If you have any opening remarks, we will give you the opportunity to address the Committee now. Following Mr. Mancuso's remarks, we will hear from Mr. Kallock and Mr. Baker, in that order.

Senator INHOFE. Mr. Chairman.

Senator HUTCHINSON. Yes?

Senator INHOFE. Let me inquire: I understand we have a vote at 10:15.

Senator HUTCHINSON. Correct.

Senator INHOFE. Are they going to each one give their opening remarks and then we can ask questions of any of them?

Senator HUTCHINSON. Yes.

Senator INHOFE. Or do you want to do it one at a time? What is your desire?

Senator HUTCHINSON. My intent was to have all three of them give their opening statements, and then we would be able to ask questions of any of them.

Senator INHOFE. So it might be a good idea to keep the opening statements a little bit shorter because of the time constraint.

Senator HUTCHINSON. Yes. We do have votes beginning at 10:15. So the Committee would appreciate it if you could abbreviate your opening comments.

Senator INHOFE. Thank you.

Senator HUTCHINSON. Mr. Mancuso.

STATEMENT OF DONALD MANCUSO, NOMINEE, INSPECTOR GENERAL, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

Mr. MANCUSO. Senator, before I begin, I have already made one mistake that I will not repeat. I neglected to introduce my wife Jo Ann. [Laughter.]

I am certainly pleased to have her here and to have her support. Senator HUTCHINSON. Jo Ann, you take care of that later. [Laughter.]

Mr. MANCUSO. That mistake has not happened in a long time. [Laughter.]

Mr. MANCUSO. Mr. Chairman and members of the Committee, I am especially pleased and deeply honored to appear before you as the President's nominee for the position of Inspector General for the Department of Defense.

I want to thank Secretary Cohen, Deputy Secretary de Leon, and former Deputy Secretary Hamre, for the years of unwavering support for the Inspector General mission, and for their personal support and encouragement for my nomination.

I would also like to thank the members of this staff and the members of the Committee and especially you, Senator, for taking time to hold this hearing at such a busy time in the Senate schedule.

Throughout my 28 year career of Federal service, I have been involved in law enforcement and with various types of investigations. This service includes 18 years with the Office of the Inspector General, first as a Special Agent in Charge with the Defense Criminal Investigative Service; then progressing to various positions that led to my appointment as the Director of the Defense Criminal Investigative Service in 1988, and then in 1997 as Deputy Inspector General.

In the position of Deputy Inspector General, these 3 years I have spent have shown me the value of organizational vision, consistent leadership, and absolute commitment to the highest standards within an organization as diverse as our office.

If confirmed, I will do my utmost to lead the able staff at the Office of the Inspector General and to ensure impartial oversight on behalf of the Secretary and the Congress.

As you are well aware, the IG must be both an independent and objective official who initiates and supervises audits and investigations. As such, that person must ensure that good order and discipline is maintained within the Department, which inspires the