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Statement.

Prepared statement

Dougherty, Gen. Russell E., U.S. Air Force (retired), former Commander in

Chief, Strategic Air Command:

Statement........

Prepared statement

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Page Finley, Harry R., Associate Director, National Security and International Affairs Division, General Accounting Office.

609 Gabriel, Gen. Charles A., Chief of Staff, U.S. Air Force: Statement.........

119 Prepared statement

123 Galvin, Gen. John R., Commander in Chief, U.S. Southern Command: Statement.......

858 Prepared statement

858 Goodpaster, Gen. Andrew J., U.S. Army (retired), former Commander in Chief, U.S. European Command: Statement...

297 Prepared statement

302 Gorman, Gen. Paul F., U.S. Army (retired), member, President's Blue Ribbon

Commission on Defense Management; and former Commander in Chief,
U.S. Southern Command

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Grinstead, Vice Adm. Eugene, U.S. Navy (retired), former Director, Defense
Logistics Agency:
Statement...

403 Prepared statement

406 Hansen, Vice Adm. Thor, U.S. Navy (retired), former Director, Joint Staff.. 167 Herres, Gen. Robert T., U.S. Air Force, Commander in Chief, U.S. Aerospace Defense Command and U.S. Space Command: Statement........

801 Prepared statement

812 Holloway, Adm. James L., U.S. Navy (retired), member, President's Blue

Ribbon Commission on Defense Management; and former Chief of Naval
Operations.

457 Jones, Gen. David C., U.S. Air Force (retired), former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; and former Chief of Staff of the Air Force......

533 Kelley, Gen. P.X., Commandant, U.S. Marine Corps.

129 Kester, John G., former Special Assistant to the former Secretary of Defense: Statement......

731 Prepared statement

738 Komer, Hon. Robert, former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy.

195 Korb, Hon. Lawrence J., Vice President, Corporate Operations, Raytheon Co.;

and former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Manpower, Reserve Affairs
and Logistics:
Statement..

267 Prepared statement. Latham, Hon. Donald C., Assistant Secretary of Defense for Command, Control, Communications and Intelligence: Statement......

177 Prepared statement

178 Lehman, Hon. John, Secretary of the Navy: Statement........

40 Prepared statement

47 Luttwak, Edward N., author, "The Pentagon and the Art of War".

203 Mahaffey, Gen. Fred K., U.S. Army, Commander in Chief, U.S. Readiness Command..

790 Marsh, Hon. John O., Jr., Secretary of the Army: Statement....

32 Prepared statement

36 McLucas, Hon. John, former Secretary of the Air Force.

415 Meyer, Gen. E.C., U.S. Army (retired), former Chief of Staff, U.S. Army

307 Moorer, Adm. Thomas H., U.S. Navy (retired), former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff: Statement.....

363 Prepared statement

369 Nichols, Hon. Bill, a Representative from Alabama, Chairman, Investigations Subcommittee.....

1, 95, 157, 195, 237, 283, 316, 363, 453, 533, 544, 597, 767, 780, 801, 833 Letter from Chairman Bill Nichols to Secretary of Defense Caspar Wein

berger announcing hearings on Department of Defense Reorganization.. 92 Defense Logistics Agency Overview....

866 Odeen, Philip A., chairman, Georgetown University Center for Strategic and International Studies, Defense Organization Project: Statement........

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Odeen, Philip A., chairman, Georgetown University Center for Strategic and
International Studies, Defense Organization Project-Continued

Prepared statement
Oettinger, Anthony G., Professor, Harvard University:

Statement.......

Prepared statement
Packard, Hon. David, Chairman, President's Blue Ribbon Commission on
Defense Management; and former Deputy Secretary of Defense:

Statement......

Prepared statement
Peters, Dr. Tom, author of "In Search of Excellence" and "Passion for Excel-

lence".
Pirie, Hon. Robin, former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Manpower, Re-

serve Affairs and Logistics; and Vice President of the Institute for Defense

Analysis.....
Powers, Lt. Gen. Winston, U.S. Air Force, Director of Defense Communica-

tions Agency, Department of Defense ....
Richardson, Hon. Elliot L., former Secretary of Defense..
Rogers, Gen. Bernard, Commander in Chief, U.S. European Command..

CINCEUR’s View of Actions Required for ODS/JCS Reorganization
Rosenberg, Maj. Gen. Robert A., U.S. Air Force, Director, Defense Mapping

Agency: Prepared statement.
Rourke, Hon. Russell A., Secretary of the Air Force:

Statement.......

Prepared statement
Scowcroft, Gen. Brent, U.S. Air Force (retired), member, President's Blue

Ribbon Commission on Defense Management; and former Special Assistant
to the President for National Security Affairs....
Taft, Hon. William H., IV, Deputy Secretary of Defense:

Statement........

Prepared statement
Train, Adm. Harry D., U.S. Navy (retired), former Commander in Chief, U.S.

Atlantic Command.
Vessey, Gen. John W., Jr., U.S. Army (retired), former chairman, Joint Chiefs

of Staff.
Vogt, Gen. John, U.S. Air Force (retired), former_Commander, U.S. Air

Forces, Europe, and former Commander Allied Air Forces, Europe ...
Wade, Hon. James P., Jr., Assistant Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and
Logistics:

Statement..........

Prepared statement
Watkins, Adm. James, Chief of Naval Operations, Joint Chiefs of Staff:

Statement.......

Prepared statement
Welch, Gen. Larry D., Commander in Chief, Strategic Air Command and
Director, Joint Strategic Target Planning Staff:

Statement.......

Prepared statement
Wickham, Gen. John A., Jr., Chief of Staff, U.S. Army:

Statement...........

Prepared statement
Woolsey, Hon. James, member, President's Blue Ribbon Commission on De-
fense Management; and former Under Secretary of the Navy....

APPENDICES
H.R. 4234, to amend title 10, United States Code, to improve the capability of

the Armed Forces to carry out assigned missions by providing greater
authority to the commanders of the unified and specified combatant com-

mands to carry out their assigned responsibilities, and for other purposes..... H.R. 4235, to amend title 10, United States Code, to establish military officer

personnel policies that promote and encourage improved performance of joint functions... H.R. 4236, to revise, reform, and standardize the organization of the executive

part of the military departments, and for other purposes.....

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H.R. 4237, to amend title 10, United States Code, to improve oversight of the

defense agencies, particularly those agencies that support operating forces, and to require a report to Congress analyzing the functions and organiza

tional structure of the defense agencies
H.R. 4068, to abolish the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Contract

Audit Agency
H.R. 4370, to amend title 10, United States Code, to reorganize the Depart-

ment of Defense...
H.R. 4370 (showing H.R. 4370 as reported by the Investigations Subcommittee

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of the Committee on Armed Services), to amend title 10, United States

Code, to reorganize the Department of Defense...
Goldwater-Nichols Department of Defense Reorganization Act of 1986

965 1032

REORGANIZATION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF

DEFENSE

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES,

SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS,

Washington, DC, Wednesday, February 19, 1986. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:35 a.m., in room 2337, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Bill Nichols (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. BILL NICHOLS, A REPRESENTA

TIVE FROM ALABAMA, CHAIRMAN, INVESTIGATIONS SUBCOMMITTEE

Mr. NICHOLS. Over the last 40 years there has been a no more consistently troubling question than the organization of our national defense establishment.

The National Security Act of 1947, as well as its amendments in 1949 and 1958, provided us with a framework that has endured over that period. But that framework has been the target of continuous criticism, suggesting that we could and should do better.

Over the years at least a dozen Presidential commissions or special panels, as well as an untold number of academic studies, have left an impressive documentary record of the need to improve. In this decade the changing international security environment, particularly characterized by the demonstration of a new order of Soviet military capabilities, gave additional urgency to this question.

In 1982 two of this country's most distinguished military leaders, Gen. David C. Jones, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Gen. Edward C. Meyer, Chief of Staff, U.S. Army, took the lead in urging that the JCS system be strengthened by a number of comprehensive reforms. We in the Congress took particular note of their recommendations. I'm especially proud of the record of this House in holding comprehensive hearings on JCS reform and in moving aggressively to recommend legislation.

Last November, the House passed a JCS reform measure, H.R. 3622, by vote of 383 to 27. We sent it to the Senate. Two of our distinguished colleagues in the other body, Senator Barry Goldwater, and Senator Sam Nunn of Georgia have not only moved to examine the issue of JCS reform, but have broadened their investigations to embrace the larger question of Department of Defense organization.

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