Mrs. BOLTON. In the whole matter of our participation, the Interim Commission, as it is set up at the moment, has a Yugoslav at the head of it; does it not?

Dr. HYDE. No; the chairman of the Interim Commission, which is the body of representatives of 18 nations, is a Yugoslav. The actual, technical, and administrative director is Dr. Brock Chisholm, of Canada, former Deputy Minister of Health in Canada and wartime Surgeon General of the Canadian Army.

Mrs. BOLTON. The executive functions are in the hands of Dr. Chisholm?

Dr. HYDE. Yes.

Mrs. BOLTON. How many key officers are we likely to obtain?

Dr. HYDE. The personnel of the secretariat of the Interim Commission is composed of two distinct groups: (1) Regular staff paid from funds loaned to the Interim Commission by the United Nations, (2) special staff paid from funds transferred from UNRRA to carry on certain specified functions. Both groups are employed on a temporary basis, the former for the limited life of the Interim Commission, the latter on a month-to-month basis.

The Executive Secretary, Dr. Brock Chisholm, is the senior official and holds a contract for the life of the Commission. He was formerly Surgeon General of the Canadian Army and at the time of election to his present position, Deputy Minister of Health of Canada.

The regular staff consists of approximately 90 persons of whom 18 are United States citizens. Among the 10 senior executives of the staff are 2 United States citizens.

The United Kingdom is the only other country with two in this senior group. Two of this group were recruited from UNRRA, one a Pole had formerly been on the staff of the League of Nations Health Organization; the other, British, is performing treaty functions transferred from UNRRA to the Interim Commission.

Approximately one-sixth of the junior staff was taken over from the League of Nations and the International Office of Public Health to carry on functions taken over by the Interim Commission from those organizations. The remainder of the regular staff was directly recruited by the Commission.

The temporary staff carrying on work transferred from UNRRA consists of approximately 60 persons selected, on the basis of their effectiveness in UNRRA, from some 300 members of the UNRRA health staff.

The selection of individuals was made in consultation with the national health administrations of the countries in which the individuals had worked and would continue to work.

The chief of this staff, an official of the British Ministry of Health and formerly Director of the Health Division of the UNRRA European Regional Office, was selected by the executive secretary, in consultation with representatives on the Interim Commission, on the basis of his effective work in his previous posts.

This staff, except for six stenographers, is entirely technical. Nineteen members of it are United States citizens.

Approximately one-half of the total group is working in China. In field operations, local personnel is engaged as necessary to supplement this technical staff.

The Interim Commisson has authorized the appointment of seven expert committees composed of from four to nine internationally known experts. These committees will meet once and in some cases twice to assist in laying out the working plan of the World Health Organization in the various technical fields. They will probably also be the nuclei of permanent expert committees of the World Health Organization. A United States expert has been appointed on all except one of these committees.

In answer to your general question, Madam Chairman, I feel that the representation of the United States on the staff, and in expert committee will depend largely upon the continued predominance of the United States in the technical field of health.

The reason our experts are on the technical committees is no way political. It is because we have the experts who can contribute the most in a technical way.

The same thing holds true for the staff. Although there will be consideration given to geographical spread, the main objective, as stated in the constitution is to get the most competent technical personnel available.

As long as we have that type of personnel in this country, there will be a demand for Americans on the staff.

Mrs. BOLTON. We have had, you know, a good deal of difficulty on the floor in all matters when it was meant to take over the UNRRA personnel. The sense of inefficiency in the UNRRA group has carried

over.

It is my own personal observation that the health groups in UNRRA were very carefully chosen and had done most excellent work. Is that your opinion on the situation?

Dr. HYDE. Very definitely, Madam Chairman.

Mrs. BOLTON. You would have no hesitation in accepting the responsibility were it yours, of administrating a group such as would be presented by those who would serve?

Dr. HYDE. No; not at all.

I think that the Interim Commission was sincerely pleased that it had the opportunity of selecting from such a splendid group of professional people.

Mrs. BOLTON. Mr. Jackson, have you any questions?

Mr. JACKSON. No; I think I have nothing, Madam Chairman.
Mrs. BOLTON. Mr. Morgan?

Mr. MORGAN. I have no questions.

Mrs. BOLTON. You have a statement also of costs, have you not?

Dr. HYDE. I have presented a statement on contributions to the specialized agencies, but I have no other statement on costs.

Mrs. BOLTON. You have no statement as to the possibilities of our costs?

Dr. HYDE. No prepared statement.

Mrs. BOLTON. Will you give us what you have?

Dr. HYDE. We have already presented that and it is in the committee print, I believe, the contemplated budget for the year 1948, $4,800,000.

That will have to be, of course, accepted by the first World Health Assembly, and then the assembly will have to decide on the apportionment between nations.

The question of how much it will cost in future years cannot be specifically answered, but it is the feeling that the work of the organization depends more on the competency than the quantity of the staff and, although it will increase moderately, it will not at any time be a drain on our resources.

Mrs. BOLTON, Would it be a possible thing for you to submit a statement of an estimate of cost to the United States of the first year? Dr. HYDE. We have that already.

Mr. JACKSON. Is that the $4,800,000 figure for the entire operation? Dr. HYDE. Yes, during its first year of existence. It is labeled 1948, but it is conceived of as the first full year of operation.

Mrs. BOLTON. The $4,800,000 is the entire amount and not just our part of the contribution?

Dr. HYDE. That is right.

Mrs. BOLTON. It is assumed that we will take the same proportion as we have in these other things?

Dr. HYDE. As I sensed the feeling during the third session of the Interim Commission, I found a general feeling that we should perhaps bear less than this. They apparently do not want one country to be over dominant. We do not know what the final decision will be. The Commission has asked for a complete study of the contri- . butions of all nations to all the agencies, including the United Nations, so that they can base any decisions on full information.

Mrs. BOLTON. Does that indicate that they are rather more willing to assume a little more of the proportion of this health plan than they would be in some other things whose benefits they would not be able to see so clearly?

Dr. HYDE. There is such general enthusiasm for it I think it has even reached into the pocketbooks of the countries.

Mrs. BOLTON. Have you any questions, Mr. Jackson?

Mr. JACKSON. No; but it seems to me we asked for several items of information from Dr. Parran which I do not think are included in these. We wanted something in the way of a break-down in this working fund, some sort of an explanation we could carry to the floor of the House.

Dr. HYDE. I think Mr. Sandifer answered that in that it is merely a reserve fund they can use for working expenses pending contributions being paid.

Mr. JACKSON. I think we should have something in the way of a statement on the working fund which could be included in the report. Mrs. BOLTON. I think we should have that.

Mr. JACKSON. That is all I have, Madam Chairman.

Mrs. BOLTON. I think that pretty well covers our needs, so that we can study the whole thing and go before the committee.

We are very grateful indeed to all of those of you who have come down to help us, and the meeting is adjourned.

(Whereupon, at 12: 10 p. m., the committee adjourned, to reconvene at the call of the Chair.)

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The subcommittee met at 10 a. m., Hon. Frances P. Bolton (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Mrs. BOLTON. The committee will be in order for further consideration of House Joint Resolution 161. We are wanting further information on the subjects we have been considering and have asked the State Department and the Red Cross to give us a little more enlightenment.

We will hear first from Dr. McGinnes. Doctor, will you state who you are and what you represent, for the record?

STATEMENT OF DR. G. FOARD MCGINNES, VICE CHAIRMAN IN CHARGE OF HEALTH SERVICES OF THE AMERICAN NATIONAL RED CROSS

Dr. MCGINNES. Madam Chairman and gentlemen, my name is Dr. G. Foard McGinnes. I am vice chairman of the health services of the American National Red Cross.

I think that the committee invited me to come as a representative of the American Red Cross to make a statement regarding the World Health Organization.

The American National Red Cross has been interested in the development of the World Health Organization. At the beginning of the consideration of such an Organization by the State Department in 1945, Mr. Basil O'Connor, chairman of the American National Red Cross, was invited to participate in that conference. I was an alternate and sat through the conference. Mr. O'Connor concurred in the recommendations of that group.

Later I was appointed as an observer by the League of Red Cross Societies at the World Health Organization meeting in New York last June. So we have followed the development of this work, have been interested in it, and, of course, the American Red Cross and the League of Red Cross Societies are interested in the development of an organization for the promotion of health and the alleviation of suffering of the people of the world.

If there are any questions that relate to our organization or the League of Red Cross Societies, I should be very glad to answer them. Mrs. BOLTON. We were very anxious to clarify the relationships between the various international organizations having to do with health. Several of the questions raised in the committee the other