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No! It was soon followed by deeds of bloodshed such as the world has never seen. The guillotine was put in motion, and the streets of Paris ran with human gore.

Those deeds that are done in times of high party and political excitement are deeds that should admonish you as to the manner in which you discharge the duty that devolves upon you. I have no idea that consequences such as I have described will result, but yet deeds that are done in excitement often come back in after years and cause a degree of feeling. I will not attempt to describe; that has been done a great deal better than I can do by a master hand, who tells us "Forever and anon of griefs subdued. There comes a token like a scorpion's sting, scarce seen but with fresh bitterness imbued, and slight withal may be the thoughts which bring back to the heart, the weight of which it would fling away forever."

"It may be a sound, a line of music, summer eve or spring, the wind of the ocean which shall sound striking the electric chain wherewith we are darkly bound, and how or why we know not, nor can trace home to its cloud this lightning of the mind, nor can efface the blight and blackening it leaves behind," God grant that the American Senate may never have such feelings as these. God grant that you may so act in the discharge of your duty that there shall be no painful remembrance, Senators, to come back upon you in a dying hour. God grant that you may so act that you will not only be able to look death and eternity in the face, but feel that you have discharged your duty and your whele duty to God and your country. If so, you will receive the approbation of men and angels and the admiration of posterity.

I do not know, Mr. Chief Justice and Senators that it is exactly in accordance with the etiquette of the court of justice for me to do what I propose to do now, but I trust the Senate will take the will for the deed, and if there is anything improper in it you will overlook it. I cannot close the remarks I have made in this case without stating my profound thanks to the Chief Justice and the Senators for the very kind and patient attention with which you have listened to me on this occasion, imperfect and lengthy as has been the argument I have offered. You have submitted with a patient attention which I had little reason to expect, and I cannot take my seat without extending to you my thanks, whether it be in accordance with the usage or not.

Mr. NELSON having concluded his argument at fifteen minutes past four o'clock, the court adjourned until twelve o'clock to-morrow.

PROCEEDINGS OF SATURDAY, APRIL 25.

Admission of Official Reporters. After the opening of the court, the Chief Justice stated that the first business in order was the order offered by Senator Edmunds yesterday to admit the official reporters to report the proceedings in secret `session on the final question.

Mr. EDMUNDS, at the suggestion, he said, of several Senators, moved to postpone the consideration until Monday.

Senator DRAKE-I move that that order be indefinitely postponed, and on that I call the yeas and nays.

Senator EDMUNDS-Mr. President, so do I.

The motion of Mr. Drake was voted down by the following vote:

YEAS.-Messrs. Cameron, Chandler, Conkling, Corbett, Drake, Ferry, Harlan, Howard, Morrill (Me.), Morrill (Vt.), Morton, Nye, Pomeroy, Ramsey, Ross, Stewart, Sumner, Thayer, Tipton and Yates-20.

NAYS.-Messrs. Anthony, Buckalew, Cragin, Davis, Dixon,
Doolittle, Edmunds, Fessenden, Fowler, Frelinghuysen,
Grimes, Henderson, Hendricks, Howe, Johnson, McCreery,
Morgan, Norton, Patterson (Tenn.), Saulsbury. Sherman,
Trumbull, Van Winkle, Vickers, Willey, Williams and
Wilson-27.

The motion to postpone till Mondsay was agreed to.
Mr. Sumner's Order.

Mr. SUMNER offered the following order :-
Ordered, That the Senate, sitting for the trial of Andrew
Johnson, President of the United States, will proceed to
vote on the several articles of impeachment at twelve
o'clock on the day after the close of the argument.

Senator JOHNSON objected, and it was laid over. Senator SUMNER-I send to the Chair two additional rules, the first of which is derived from the practice of the Senate in the trials of Judge Chase and Judge Peck,

They were read as follows:

Rule 25.-In taking the votes of the Senate on the articles of impeachment, the presiding off cer shall call each Senator by name, and upon such article propose the following question in the manner following:

Mr.- how say you, is the respondent guilty or not guilty, as charged in the article of impeachment? Whereupon each Senator shall rise in his place and answer "Guilty" or "Not Guilty."

Rule 24.-On a conviction by the Senate, it shall be the duty of the presiding officer forthwith to pronounce the removal from office of the convicted person, according to the requirements of the Constitution, and any further judg ment shall be on the order of the Senate.

Senator JOHNSON again objected, and the rules

went over.

The Chief Justice then directed the counsel for the President to proceed with the argument.

Mr. Groesbeck's Argument.

Mr. GROESBECK said:-Mr. Chief Justice and Sena. tors: I am sorry that I am not so well to-day as I should like to be, but I know the desire of the Senate to get on with this argument, and have, therefore, preferred to come here this morning and attempt to present an outline, at least, of the views I have. formed of the respondent's case. Since the organization of our government we have had five trials on impeachment, one of a Senator and four of judges, who have held their office by appointment, and for a tenure during life and good behavior. It has not been the practice, nor is it the wise policy of a republic to avail itself of the remedy of impeachment for the regula tion of its elective officers. Impeachment was not invented for that purpose, but rather to lay hold of offices that were held by inheritance and for life, and the true policy of a republican government, according to my ap prehension, is to leave these matters to the people, who are the great and supreme tribunal to try just such questions, and they assemble statedly for that purpose with the single object of deciding whether an officer shall be continued or whether he shall be removed from office. I may be allowed, Senators, to express my regret that such a case as this is before you, but it is here, and it must be tried, and therefore I proceed as I promised at the outstart, to say what I may be able to say on behalf of the respondent.

In the argument of one of the managers the question was propounded, "Is this body now sitting to determine the accusation of the House of Representatives against the President of the United States, the Senate of the United States or a court?" The argument goes on to admit if this body is a court in any manner as contra-distinguished from the Senate, then we agree that the accused may claim the benefit of the rules of criminal cases, although he can only be convicted when the evidence makes the case clear beyond a reasonable doubt, and in view of this statement, and in view of the labored effort which has been made by the managers in this cause, I ask. Senators, your attention to the question, In what character you proceed to this trial? We have heard protracted and elaborate discussion to show that you do not sit as a court. The managers have even taken offense at any such recognition of your character. For some reason that I will not allude to, they have done even more, and claimed for this body the most extraordinary jurisdiction. Admitting that it was a constitutional tribunal they have yet claimed that it knew no law, either statute or common; that it consulted no precedents save those of parliamentary bodies; that it was a law in itself; in a word, that its jurisdiction was without bounds, and could impeach from any cause and there was no appeal from its judgment.

The Constitution would appear to give it somewhat its jurisdiction, but everything it may deem impeachable becomes such at once, and when the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" are used in that instrument they are without significance, and intended merely to give solemnity to the tribunal to sustain this extraordinary view of the character of this tribunal. We have been referred to English precedents, and especially to early English precedents, when, according to my recollection, impeachment and attainder, and bills of pains and penalties have labored together in the work of murder and confiscation.

Senators, I do not propose to linger about these English cases. We have cases of our own upon this subject. We have teachings of our own. We know our fathers, in framing the Constitution, were jealous of delegating powers, and tried to make a limited constitutional government; tried to enumerate all the powers they were willing to intrust to any department of it. The Executive Department is limited; the Judicial Department is limited, and the Legislative Department we have supposed was also limited; but according to the argument made here in this trial, it is otherwise, and it has in its service and at its command an institution that is above all law and acknowledges no restraint-an institution worse than a court-martial, in that it has a broader and more dangerous jurisdiction.

Senators, I cannot believe for one moment that there is lying in the heart of the Constitution any such tribunal as this, and I invite your attention to a brief examination of our own authorities and of our own teachings on this subject. It was with much doubt and hesitation that the. jurisdiction to try impeachment at all was intrusted to the Senate of the United States. The grant of jurisdiction to the Senate was deferred to the last moment of time; nor was your jurisdiction overlooked. Allow me to call your attention to the proceedings in the Journal of the Federal Convention upon this subject. In the first report that was presented they proposed to allow impeachment for mal

practice or neglect of duty. It will be observed that this is very English-like and very broad. There is not necessarily any crime in the jurisdiction here proposed to be conferred. In the next report they proposed to allow the tribunal jurisdiction over treason, bribery and corruption. It will be observed that they began to get away from English precedent and to approach the final result at which they arrived. The jurisdiction is partly criminal and partly broad and open, not necessarily involving criminality. In the next report on this very question of jurisdiction they reported to the Senate, or rather to the Supreme Court of the United States, to which body up to the very last moment they confided the jurisdiction.

In the next report they proposed to allow jurisdiction for treason or bribery and nothing else. It will be observed that here was nothing but a gross flagrant crime, and that gives the jurisdiction that we have in the present Constitution-treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors, not malpractices, not neglect of duty, nothing that left jurisdiction open; the jurisdiction is short and limited by any fair construction of this language, and it was intended to be short. It is impossible to observe the progress of the deliberations of that Convention upon this single question, beginning with the briefest and most open jurisdiction, and ending in a jurisdiction confined in its terms, without coming to the conclusion that it was thesr determination that the jurisdiction should be circumscribed and limited. In what character Senators do you sit here? You have heard the argument of the managers, you have heard the discussion of the subject all through the progress of the case; you have been referred to English precedents by the managers to support their theory that you sit here, not as a court, but as an inquest of office, or as a nameless tribunal with unfixed and illimitable jurisdiction. We have our own precedents on this subject, and I will call your attention to them.

It has been heard in this trial for the first time, that this tribunal now sitting as you are sitting, is anything else than a court. I challenge the gentlemen, after their investigations of the action of the Constitutional Convention, to show anything that has been said or done, calculated to make the impression that the tribunal to try impeachment is anything else than a court. Let us look, Senators, at our own history. We have had four trials of impeachment in the United States. The first was the case of Blount. What was the language of the tribunal in that trial? When it came to make a final decision, it did so in this language:-"The court is of opinion that the matter alleged is not sufficient in law to show that this court ought to hold jurisdiction of the said impeachment." That is good authority--that is good American precedent on this question. It is the deliberate opinion of the Senate of the United States in the first trial in which it sat in that capacity, declaring itself in the most solemn language, which it uttered during the trial as its final decision, that it was a court and not an inquest of office, or some nameless thing, calculated only to frighten the timid.

What is the next case? The Pickering case. Throughout its progress the Senate styled itself "The Senate sitting in the capacity of a Court of Impeachment," and the last action of the body, its decision, was on a question in this form:"Is the court of opinion that John Pickering be removed." So too in the next case, the case of Chase. The President in that case styled the body "a court," and was more fortunate than the Chief Justice, in that he escaped all censure from the managers of the House of Representatives. How in the next case, the Peck case, the tribunal itself put the final point in this language-"Resolved, That this court will now pronounce judgment in the case of William H. Peck, Justice of the United States for the District of Missouri." Now, Senators, I have gone over every precedent that we have in our own history on this question, and they show that in every instance the Senate Bolemnly declared itself to be a court. If we are to go by precedent, let us take our own precedents rather than those which have been so liberally quoted from abroad, by the managers on this occasion. In what spirit, Senators, shall you try this case? Allow me to refer you on that subject, to the language of Story in his Commentaries on the Constitution. He says, "The great objects to be attained in the selection of a tribunal for the trial of impeachments, are impartiality, integrity, intelligence and independence. If either of these be wanting, the trial must be radically imperfect.

To secure integrity there must be a deep sense of duty and a deep respensibility to future times and to God; to secure intelligence there must be a "high intelligencepowers as well as attainments-necessary to secure independence; there must be numbers as well as talents, and a confidence restilting at once from permanency of place, dignity of station and enlightened patriotism." On the next page Story adds:-"Strictly speaking, the power, that is, the power of impeachment, is partly of a political character, and on this account it requires to be guarded in its exercise against the spirit of faction, the intolerance of party and the sudden movements in peculiar feeling." Senators, this is not my language, it is the language of a distinguished jurist whom you all respect, but I may affirm by all our own authorities and by all our teachings on the subject, that it is a true and faithful portraiture of what is meant in the Constitution by the tribunal to try impeachment.

For that purpose you have been sworn anew as it were to prepare you for this occasion. The oath which you took when you entered this Senate Chamber, as Senators, was a political, a legislative oath. The oath which is now upon you is purely a judicial oath to do impartial justice. We are then, Senators, in a court. What are you to try? You are to try the charges contained in those articles of

impeachment, and nothing else. On what are you to try them? Not on common fame, not on presumption of guilt not on any views of party politics. You are to try them on the evidence offered here, and on nothing else. By the obligation of your oaths, what is the issue before yon? Senators, allow me to say that it is not a question whether this or that thing was done. You are not here to try a mere issue of fact. By the very terms of the Constitu tion you can only try in this tribunal, crime. Let me repeat the jurisdiction:-"Treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors."

The jurisdiction is comprised within that language. The only issue which this court can try, is the issue of crin.e. What is crime? In every crime there must be unlawful purpose or intention, and when this is wanting there can be no crime. There must be an unlawful purpose prompting its commission, otherwise there can be no crime. Let me illustrate:-Suppose a crazy man should burst into this Chamber and kill one of us; he has committed the act of homicide, but he has not committed a crime. Suppose the President should become deranged, and should, while in that condition, attempt to bribe and to break law upon law, you have no jurisdiction to try him on impeachment. Let me put another case that is not suppositious. Mr. Lincoln claimed and exercised the power to organize a military commission under which he arrested and imprisoned citizens within the loyal States. He had no act of Congress warranting it, and the Supreme Court of the United States has declared that the act was against the express provisions of the Constitution, Suppose he did violate the express provisions of the Constitution, then, according to the argument of the managers, he might be impeached and convicted. I beg to read from the argument of one of the managers on that subject. The honorable manager who addressed us the day before yesterday referred to the motives of the Pre-ident, and declared that the necessary inference of the law is, that he acted under the influence of bad motives; whereby the gentleman seems to acknowledge that, in order to constitute a crime there must be a motive. here can be no crime without a motive; but now, when the President comes forward, and offers to prove his good motive, you will not allow him to make that proof. When he comes forward and offers to prove this from his warm and living heart, the answer is, "we make up the motive out of the presumptions of the law, and conclude you on that point; we will not hear you; you must be silent."

Now, Senators, the jurisdiction of this body is to try crime, and there is no crime without unlawful intention and purpose. You cannot get a crime without showing the unlawful intent or purpose behind the act itself. What is your verdict? Not that the President did this or that act. That is not it. But was he guilty of high misdemeanor, it being his purpose to commit it?

With these preliminary observations, I propose to proceed to a brief examination of the case presented. You are now, all of you, familiar with the arguments which have been presented thus far in this case, and I need not attempt to go over them. I have this to say, and you will all concur with me, that the first eight articles are built upon two acts of the President; the one being the removal of Edwin M. Stanton, the other the letter of authority given to Lorenzo Thomas. Now, if you will take those eight articles, and notice the substantial argument around which they are bound, with all their assertions of good or bad intent, and all their arguments of every kind, you will find that there are but those two acts-the removal of Mr. Stanton and the letter of authority to General Thomas. To do that, we have only to inquire in reference to these two acts in order to ascertain the merits of this case. If the President of the United States had the right to remove Edwin M. Stanton, then these eight articles are without support. If, in addition to that, he had the right to give the letter of authority to Lorenzo Thomas, then these articles fall to ruin.

Now, there is no Senator who has studied this case who will not see the application of this statement at once, and it relieves us from the necessity of going over article by article, step by step. in our progress. Give me those two proposition the right to remove Stanton and the right to i-sue the letter of authority to Thomas-and the articles fall instantly, and there is nothing left of them, so that we have, in asking your consideration of these articles, but two inquiries to make. Had the President the right to remove Mr. Stanton, and had he the right to issue the letter of authority to Thomas? I propose now, as well as I am able, to examine this question. Had the President the right to remove Edwin M. Stanton? I propose to examine that question first, in connection with the act regulating the Tenure of Civil Offices. It is claimed on the one side that, by the operation of this law, Mr. Stanton was withdrawn from his previous position, and is covered and protected here. It is claimed upon the other side that the law does not apply to his case at all. I think it will be readily acknowledged by Senators that the President has the right to remove him.

Allow me to call your attention to one question of this law in which the question seems to be involved. It provides, "That every person holding any civil office to which he has been appointed by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, and every person who shall hereafter be appointed to any such office aud become duly qualified to act therein, is entitled to hold such office until his suc cessor shall have been appointed and duly qualified, except as herein otherwise provided. Provided, I hat the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of War, the Secretary of the Navy, and the Secretary of the Interior, the Postmaster-General, and the AttorneyGeneral shall hold their offices respectively for and during

the term of the President by whom they were appointed, and for one month thereafter, subject to removal by and with the advice and consent of the Senate."

Now, gentlemen, let me state a few facts before we proceed to the consideration of this act. The first fact is, that the act was passed on the 2d of March, 1867. I further call your attention to the fact that Mr. Stanton's commission is dated on the 15th of January, 1862. It is a commission given to him by President Lincoln, by which he is to hold the office of Secretary for the Department of War, during the pleasure of the President for the time being. Mr. Johnson became President on the 15th day of April, 1865, and he has not, in any manner, commissioned Mr. Stanton. Now, upon these facts, Senators, I claim that it is clear that Mr. Stanton is not protected by this Civil Tenure act. Let us inquire. The law proposes to grant to the Cabinet officers, as they are called, a term that shall last during the term of the President by whom they are appointed, and one month thereafter. Mr. Johnson has not appointed Mr. Stanton. He was appointed during the first term of Mr. Lincoln. He was not appointed at all during the term of President Johnson. He holds his office by a commission, if at all, that would send him through administration after administration indefinitely, or until he is removed.

Now, what is the meaning of this language-"He shall hold his office during the term of the President by whom he is appointed?" He was not appointed during the pregent term. I think that is plain. It does seem to me that that simple statement settles this question. The gentleman has said this is M-. Lincoln's term. The dead has ownership in no office or estate of any kind. Mr. Johnson is the President of the United States with a term, and this is his term. But if Mr. Lincoln were living to-day; if Mr. Lincoln were President to-day, he could remove Mr. Stanton. Mr. Lincoln would not have appointed him during this term. It was during the last term that Mr. Stanton was appointed and not this. And an appointment by the President during one term, by the operation of this law, will not extend the term of one President through that of another because that same person happened to be re-elected to the Presidency. Mr. Stanton holds the office, therefore, under the commission given him, and not under the law. But, Senators, his tenure of office cannot be changed or extended from his commission to the law, What is the proposition of this law?

Mr. Stanton held his office during the pleasure of the President, for the time being. This law proposes to give him a term of four years, and one month thereafter. By what authority can the Congress of the United States extend the term in this manner? An office can only be held by the appointment of the President. His nomination and his appointment must cover the whole term which the appointee claims. On any other theory the Congress of the United States might extend the office of the persons who has been a pointed, indefinitely through years and years, and thus defeat the constitutional provision that the President shall nominate and shall appoint for office for the whole term for which he was appointed. Thus, practically, Senators, it appears that the law cannot be made to apply to any offices which were occupied at the time of its passage.

Take the case of an officer who holds his commission at the pleasure of the President, What is the character of that tenure? It is no tenure known to the law, it is a tenure at pleasure, at sufferance at will. To convert that to a tenure for a fixed time is to enlarge it, to extend it, to increase it, to make it of larger estate than it was before; and if the office be one that cannot be filled without a PreBidential nomination and appointment, it seems to me that, whatever may be the office, it cannot be extended and controlled in this way. This appears to be the construction of the act of March 3, 1867. But I am compelled to leave it with this brief examination. Mr. Stanton is, in my opinion, left where he was before its passage. It is farther to be shown that the act of March 2, 1867, has no repealing clause. We are, therefore, remitted to the previous laws applicable to this case, to the averments of the Constitution, and to the act of 1789.

By the provisions of this law, it is provided, among other things, that there shall be an Executive Department, denominated the Department of War, and that there shall be a principal officer therein, to be called the Secretary for the Department of War, who shall perform and execute such duties as shall from time to time be enjoined upon him, and who shall conduct the business of such department in such manner as the President of the United States shall from time to time order and instruct, and there shall be in the said department an inferior officer to be appointed by said principal officer, to be employed therein as he shall deem proper, to be called the Chief Clerk of the Department of War. But whenever the said principal officer shall be removed from office by the President of the United States, or in any other case of vacancy, he shall have charge of the records, books, &c. That is the law to which we are referred, unless the act regulating the tenure of civil offices, covers the case of Mr. Stanton. By the terms of that law, by the commission that was issued to Mr. Stanton to run during the pleasure of the President for the time being, framed upon this law, the President had the right to remove Mr. Stanton according to his pleasure.

[At this point the offer of the counsel to speak was with 80 much apparent effort. Senator FESSENDEN proposed that the counsel should have permission to suspend his argument for the present, or until after another argument had been presented on the part of the managers.]

Mr. GROESBECK returned his thanks to the Senator for his kindly suggestion, but saying he would be very

thankful for the attention of the Senate to what he might say, in the condition of voice in which he found himself, he thought he would prefer to go on with his argument to its conclusion. He then said:

We are told, Senators, by the gentleman who argued this case, that there has been no such case as the removal of the head of a department without the co-operation of the Senate, and that this construction, which we claim as applicable to this law, does not apply. Let me call your attention to the documents, as found on pages 357 to 359 of these proceedings. I refer to the letters of John Adams, written under one of the extreme laws that were passed by the First Congress under the Constitution. I give you the letter of the 12th of May, 1800, which is as follows:

"Sir-Divers causes and considerations, essential to the administration of the government, in my judgment, requiring a change in the Department of State, you are hereby discharged from any further service as Secretary of State. (Signed) "JOHN ADAMS, "President of the United States.

"To Timothy Pickering." That was the act of John Adams, by whose casting vote in the Senate, this bill was passed. That act was done according to the construction that was given to the bill, and is an act of outright removal during the session of the Senate, without the co-operation of the Senate. The act is done in May. The letter is addressed to the Secretary in his office, declaring him removed; and when Mr. Adams comes to send his nomination of a successor, he nominates John Marshall, not "in place of Mr. Pickering, to be removed, with their assent, but in place of Mr. Pickering removed, by my will, or in accordance with the law" now existing.

Why Senators, there is no doubt about it. If John. Adams, who passed this law in the Sehate by his casting vote, had the least idea that the power of removal was not as granted in the law, in his own hands, do the gentleman suppose that he would have taken the course he did that he would not have taken some such course as this: "Senators, I propose for your consideration the removal of Mr. Pickering, if that was not the construction of that law. Hie acts, the true construction according to his own interpretation and according to the interpretation given from that day to this, down to the act of March 2, 1867, done while the Senate was in session, done by himself without consultation with or the co-operation of the Senate, and that was the form which he adopted when he did remove him, as a distinct and independent act, and which has been adopted from that day to this.

While upon this subject let me call your attention, Senators, to the language of John Marshall in the case of Marbury vs. Madison. He was discussing the question when an appointment was made, or when it was complete, so that it was withdrawn from the control of the President. He held that it was complete when the commission was made out; but in the course of the discussion he goes on to say: "When the officer is removable by the President at the will of the Executive," &c.; so it has always been understood "removable by the President," that is the language. So the the commission ran, "removable at the pleasure of the President for the time being." When? In session? At his pleasure? In term, in session? "At his pleasure" is the language of the commission, and the authority that controls the commission and the law. So it has always been construed. Now, Senators, if I am right in he view I have here taken, Mr. Stanton was not covered by the law, and was subject to removal under the commission which he received from Mr. Lincoln, and under the law of 1789.

I beg you to observe that that law is in full force. There is no attempt to repeal it in the act of March 2, 1867- That act, in fact, has not a repealing clause. What then? What becomes of the first eight articles of this case? Let us stand at this point for a moment. It is an excellent point of observation from which to look at these acts. We have removed one difficulty, we have ascertained one fact, then; Mr. Stanton can be removed by the President. I should like to linger longer on this question, and if I had voice sufficient, I should like to call your attention to some other points. I should like to read the language of one of your Senators, especially the pertinent language of the Senator on the committee that reported this bill. I should like to read his language which was the last utterance in this Chamber before the bill was passed. But I pass on, and I ask your attention, Senators, to pause here a moment at this point of observation and look over this case. We have borne down the main structure of this great argument.

Take out the single question of the power of the removal of Mr. Stanton from these eight articles, and you are without support, and all you have left to consider is the single question of the right to confer the letter of authority upon Lorenzo Thomas. Why, Senators, we shall see more than that if this be so. All through these questions which have occupied so much of the attention of the court, vanish out of sight; for if we had this power we had the right to remove, and we were not bound to come to court to ascertain that fact. Senators, allow me to ask you to consider one other question. Suppose Mr. Stanton is within the Tenure of Office act, what then? The question then comes for your consideration, whether the President is criminal in acting upon the supposition that he was not within the act. Now, this inquiry does not challenge the constitutionality of the law. It is a question of interpretation or construction of a doubtful law.

Is there a Senator in this Chamber who will not admit, whatever his view may be upon this subject, that it was not a law upon which any one might not attempt this construction? Why, I believe that a majority of the Senate in this Chamber are of the opinion that it does not apply to

the case of Mr. Stanton, and even if they did think that it does, there would be a very small majority certainly, who would say there was not room for doubt, as to the constitutionality of the law. Let me then refer you to the act creating the office of Attorney-General:-

"There shall be also a person learned in the law appointed Attorney-General of the United States, who shall be sworn, and whose duty shall be to prosecute all suits in the Supreme Court of the United States in which the United States shall be concerned, and to give his advice and opinion upon questions of law when required by the President of the United States." I need not read further. There was a law, construe it as you will, in reference to the question of the operation of which there might be a difference of opinion. No Senator will differ as to the fact that it might be interpreted as not covering Mr. Stanton's case by its provisions. Now suppose the President of the United States, upon consulting upon the subject, did construe the law in that way, is there a Senator in this chamber who will say that there was any blame to attach to him on account of such an interpretation?

I am assuming here that this law was a law of doubtful construction as it is, and if the President availed himself of the counsels of his Cabinet oflicer, who is desiguated to do this special duty, then he is acquitted of the charge of wilfully misinterpreting it; and, now, what is the testimony on that subject? It shows that cons Itations were held between the President and his Cabinet. Not idle consultations, but consultations for the purpose, of deciding upon this great and important question, and which, if you undertake to investigate the question of motive, you cannot pass by. It appears that this subject came up for consideration and it was taken for granted that these C-binet officers, who had been appointed by Mr. Lincoln, were not affected by the provisions of the Tenure of Office act. I do not remember that the point was thus stated, but I recollect that it was suggested by one member of the Cabinet who was appointed by Mr. Lincoln, and that no dissent was expressed. The Attorney-General, Mr. Stanbery, was there the entire Cabinet was there-and this subject was considered, and this very question of construction came up, and the opinion was expressed that he (Mr. Stanton) was not included in the provisions of the act.

(The speaker's voice, which had gradually become fainter, here became almost inaudible to the reporters.)

He considered this the most important point in this case, but should this view not be correct and the law did apply to Mr. Stanton, the next inquiry was whether the conduct of the President in removing Mr. Stanton was criminal. Senators who participated as legislators in the passage of this very law and had affirmed its constitutionality, in the unfortunate condition of this case, became the judges, and, therefore, they must not be understood as arguing the point with a view to change their opinions or to show that the law was unconstitutional. That was not his object. It was to present the inquiry whether, in the condition of the question and in the condition of the President, he had a right to take the steps he did take without incurring the charge of criminality. Our governmeni is composed of three departments. Power has been distributed among them, and they are each independent of the other; no one responsible to the other. They are responsible to the people, and they are enjoined each to take care of its own prerogatives, and to protect itself against all possible encroachment from the other.

This they do, each and every department, bv observing with the utmost fidelity the instruction of the written Constitution. At the head of one of these departments, the executive, stands the President of the United States; he is sworn by an oath, the most solemn obligation that could be administered, faithfully to execute the office of President, and to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. It is not an oath merely to execute the laws, but also to the best of his ability to preserve, protect and defend the Coustitution. It would seem that such an oath would impress him with the idea that the first and paramount duty of the executive was to act according to the terms of the Constitution, and that in all trial and doubts he should take shelter under it. The learned managers contended that the President should simply execute the laws passed by Congress and no more. That was not the interpretation that should be given to the language of the Constitution. He was the Chief Magistrate of the nation and in charge of one of the great departments of the government, and must maintain the powers conferred by the Constitution on that department; but shall he disregard a law, "never."

He should never in mere wantonness disregard any act of Congress in any manner. Shall he execute all laws? He took issue with the learned manager on this point in toto. According to the theory of the managers, the President should be convicted of a crime even though the law was not constitutional. He denied this. If a law be declared by the Supreme Court, the third department of the government, and by the very terms of the Constitution itself the highest and final arbiter of the constitutionality of Congressional enactment, if that courthould declare a law to be unconstitutional the President would be false to his oath of office if he should exeerte that law. He would tell the gentleman, in answer to his long argument, that if a law be unconstitutional it was no law; it never was a law and never nad a particle of validity, although it might be in the form of a Congressional enactment. From the beginning ab initio it is no law, and is v id, a d to execute it is a violation of the Constitution. Therefore he should not execute such a law.

Again, if a law be upon its very face in blank contradiction to the plainly expressed provisions of the Constitut on, as, for instance, a law declaring that the President should

not be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy, or declaring that he had no power to make treaties, the President should, without going to the Supreme Court, maintain the integrity of his department, which, for the time being, is intrusted to him, and is bound to execute no such law. He would be untrue to his high official position if he should execute that law. But the difficulty was not here; the dithculty arises in doubtful cases, in cases which are not plainly stated in the Constitution, and this was the question of inquiry in the present case. The law of interpretation to be observed in doubtful cases was a point to which he called the attention of the Senate. He would not question the constitutionality of the Tenure of Office act. He did not challenge its constitutionality here, because the Senate had affirmed it. He would therefore simply read a few opinions of the Supreme Court and quote from other standard authorities in regard to this question, The counsel here read at length several decisions on this point, and then proceeded with the argument.

Now, Senators, I have called your attention to the decision of the question by the court. I have given you the utterance from the bench. I have given you the opinions of Marshall, and of Kent, and now let me refer you to the Executive Department. From the beginning of the government down to March 2, 1867, it has been the uniform construction and practice of every administration that it had the power of removal. Washington approved of the bill; Adams voted for it; Jefferson maintained it; Madison drew it up; Monroe and Jackson maintained the same construction of it. Every President, including President Lincoln, through all our history of eighty years, and of twenty administrations, maintained this construc tion on the question of where is the power of removal lodge.

The Judicial Department has concurred in the construction that the power of removal is lodged by the Constitu tion in the President. The Executive Department, from Washington down, through all the Presidents, has acted on this construction and affirmed this practice. Washington called the attention of the First Congress to the fact that the Executive Departments under the old Confederation had ceased to exist, and that it was necessary to organize new and corresponding ones under the new government, and he suggested that, before Congress legi lated on the subject, it should, in debate, fix the principles and determine the number of departments necessary. Congress at once entered on the subject, and agreed to establish three departments.

At this point of the argument the court, at quarter past two, took a recess for a quarter of an hour.

Mr. GROESBECK resumed his argument, commencing by reminding the court of the points he had been calling its attention to before the recess. He expressed his astonishment at Mr. Boutwell's summing up of the debate of 1789, and declared, with all respect to the honorable mana ger, that the statement was not authorized by anything that occurred in that debate. The only question that was discussed and settled in that debate, was whether the power of removal was lodged in the President alone, or lodged in the President and Senate, and it was decided that the power was in the President alone. The phraseology of the bills was changed so that all appearance of a grant of the power from the Legislature might be avoided, ane that Cougress might appear as simply recognizing the fact that the power was vested by the Constitution in the President. He had stated accurately the substance of the debate, and challenged all contradiction.

What had followed? That Congress had passed three bills establishing three Executive Departments, and in the language of Chief Justice Mar hall, it had, in order to avoid legislative instability on that question, framed those bills so that they should not take the form of a grant from the Legislature, but should appear as a constitutional interpretation. These laws were in force to this day; they were professedly an interpretation of the Constitution; were so declared by the Supreme Court; were so declared and treated be the Congress which passed them, and were BO regarded by every subsequent Congress down to the Thirty-ninth Congress.

He would pass on for nine years, and come down to 1798. Another executive department was then formed, called the Navy Department, and in the law creating it, the power of removal was recognized in the phraseology, "in case of vacancy by removal or otherwise." The words were not removal by the President:" the idea being con veyed that it was a power lodged by the Constitution in the President. He passed on for twenty years--to the creation of the Post Office Department, the law creating which contained this provision:-"In case of the resignation or removal from office of the Postmaster-General. It did not say by whom the removal was to be made, but it adopted the preceding laws in reference to which it was distinctly understood that they were interpretations of the Constitution, acknowledging that the power of removal was lodged in the President, and therefore not necessary to be conferred by express grant.

Theu he came to the act of March, 1849, creating the Interior Department, and providing that the Secretary of the Interior was to hold his office by the same tenure, and to receive the same salary as the secretaries of the other departments. Under that law the Secretary of the Interior was removable at pleasure. Then he came to the law establishing the seventh department, that of the Attorney General. In the law establishing that office there was not one word said on the subject of removal or vacancy, but the Attorney General had taken his commission during the pleasure of the President for the time being, and had been subject to removal by the President just as any other of the heads of the departments.

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He had thus gone through the legislation establishing the executive departments ranging from 1789 to 1849, a period of sixty years, and showing the principle that the power of removal was recognized as being lodged by the Constitution in the President. But that was not all. He might cite a large number of laws on the subject of other officers, such as postmasters, &c., and bearing out the same idea. He stated, not from his own examination, but from information on which he could rely that if all the laws of Congress were collected from 1789 to 1867 which affirmed this construction, they would average two or three to each Congress.

The law of March, 1867, came into work on the coneurrent chain of constitutional interpretation, but he would ask Senators whether human reason might not pause here and human judgment doubt on this question. All the Presidents had affirmed the Constitution had acted on it for eighty years; the Supreme Court had affirmed it; thirtyeight Co..gresses had concurred in it. All this was on the one side of the question, and on the other side there was the action of one Congress. Might not, therefore, human reason pause and human judgment doubt? Was it criminal in the President to stand by that great mass of precedent and to believe as thirty-eight Congresses had believed; as all Administrations had believed, and as the Supreme Court had affirmed, that the power of removal from office was vested by the Constitution in the President? That was the question this court was to decide.

Did Senators believe that at the time Andrew Johnson honestly thought that the Constitution lodged the power of removal in the hands of the President? What shouldbe the effect of this long line of interpretation by every department of the government? What rule should be applied? Stability was as much needed in regard to powers not expressed in the Constitution as in regard to those as are expres ed. If it was to be fixed by interpretation and decision. When was it to be regarded as fixed? In five hundred years? They would all agree to that. In four hundred years? He thought they would all agree to that. In two hundred years? Yes, in one hundred years? Yes! Well, here was a construction and interpretation existing for seventy-eight years. If this government was ever to have stability in its institutions it must adopt and adhere to the rule of State decisus. The Thirty-ninth Congress alone had given a different interpretation of the Constitution. He did not propose to institute any comparison between that Congress and any preceding one.

He would not say that it was not just as able and in just as good condition as any other to offer a correct opinion, but he would say that it was no better. This brought him to the question, whether the Senate was prepared to drive the President from his office and convict him of crime because he had believed as every other President before him had believed, as the Supreme Court had believed, and as the Thirty-eighth Congress had believed? Was Mr. Johnson to lie down with his hand upon his mouth, and his mouth in the dust, before Congress? or was he to stand up as the Chief Magistrate of the nation in the great contest to defend the integrity of his department? It was for the President to execute the laws, to execute even doubtful laws; but when he was called upon to execute a law against which all precedents were arrayed, against which all the voices of the past were sounding in his ears, was he not justified in seeking to get a judicial interpretation of the question, and was the Senate to undertake to brand him with criminality because he proposed to go to the Supreme Court and have a decision on the question.

He (counsel) should have referred also to the President's conduct on the subject in reference to his consulting those who are by law his advisers and counsellors. The Senate had shut out many of these facts and would not hear the evidence upon them. Suppose it had been brought to the attention of Senators that on a serious and important question like this the President had disregarded the advice of his Cabinet, had turned his back upon his counsellors, had held no consultation with them, but had in wilfulness and disregard of their wishes acted in the manner he had done.

The managers would probably have put that in evidence against him, but yet the fact that he could prove just the contrary was excluded from testimony. What was Mr. Johnson's condition? He had Cabinet officers who were unfriendly to him personally and politically. All confidential relations between them had been broken off. That officer himself had told the Senate, in a letter dated as lately as the 4th of Februarv, 1868, that he had no correspondence with the President since the 12th of August last, and had received no orders from him. It thus appears that that Cabinet officer was merely a non-executive repudiating the President, having no official communication with him, and proposing to have none, and proposing to carry on his department without recognizing even the President's name.

This was the condition of President Johnson when he communicated with General Sherman, and counsel would read to the Senate what General Sherman's testimony on that point was. General Sherman said: "I intend to be very precise and very short, but it appeared to me necessary to state what I began to state, that the President told me that the relations between him and Mr. Stanton, and between Mr. Stanton and the other members of the Cabinet, were such that he could not execute the office which he filled, as President of the United States, without making provision ad interim for that office, and that he had the right under the law. He claimed to have the right, and his purpose was to have the office administered in the interest of the army and the country, and he offered me the office in that view. He did not state to me then that it was his purpose to bring it to the courts directly,

but for the purpose of having the office administered properly in the interest of the army and of the whole country." That was the condition of things with a Cabinet officer who refused all intercourse. Counsel did not intend to go into any inquiry as to who was right or wrong; he merely stated the naked fact. This Cabinet officer had refused all intercourse, and was proposing to carry on his department without communicating with the President, and as a sort of secondary executive. In that condition of things, was it not the duty of the Chief Magistrate to make a change? There was not a Senator before him who would not have made the change. It was impossible to administer the department while there were wranglings and controversies, and want of confidence between the head of the depart ment and the President. In that necessity it was that Mr. Johnson had moved to procure a change in the department. If he had sued out a writ of quo warranto, as the manager suggested, he would have been laughed at and ridiculed, because a determination of it could not have been reached before a year, and because it was reported at the time that he would be impeached and removed in ten, twenty, or thirty days,

But Mr. Stanton had brought a suit against General Thomas, and had had him arrested. There was the Presi dent's opportunity; by reason of that he could reach a nice decision instantly. The President snatched at it, but it was anxiously snatched away from him. The managers had talked of force-where was the force? Where was there one single bitter, personal interview in all that transaction? There was not a quarrelsome word with anybody. The only force exhibited was in the cordial embrace between General Thomas and Mr. Stanton, with the one putting his arm around the other and running his fingers affectionately through his silver locks. That was the "force, intimidation and threat" that was used, and that was about all there was of it. Counsel for the President had offered to bring here the members of the Cabinet to testify as to what their advice was to the President on the subject. They had consulted on that very question, but yet the Senate would not hear them; it shut their mouths and remanded the defense to the man from Delaware.

The Senate was asked to find the employment or the intimation to employ force from the utterances of that man from Delaware, and from the conversation, or at midnight masquerades of a man dressed in a little brief authority, and yet the Senate would not hear the deliberations of the Cabinet, the consultations which were held on that very question when the transaction was warm in the minds of the parties; there was no rescuing this trial from the manifest imperfectlon of the testimony on that point. Now, what was the President's course? Why did he give this letter of authority to Lorenzo Thomas? He had to do it. There was no other way he could adopt by which he could put the case in a condition to test the law. If the President had nominated to the Senate the office would have remained in the exact condition it was without nomination, and, therefore, it was necessary by an arrangement of this kind to get into the office one who could represent the government on that question.

The President's intention in all the movement was simply to get rid of that defiant, friendly Secretary. Counsel used this expression without conveving any personal sentiment. What had the President done in the first place? He had selected General Grant, a man whom the country delighted to honor, in whom it had the utmost confidence, and for whom probably the honorable manager, Mr. Butler, intended to express still greater confidence, The President had selected such a man as that, and yet this was to be regarded as a mischievous transaction. What next did the President do? The very next step that the President took was, not to get a dangerous man, not to get a man in whom the Senate had no confidence, but the next man to whom he offered the place was General Sherman-would any one charge wickedness upon that high officer? But General Sherman would not take the office. To whom did he next offer it? To Major General George H. Thomas. It seemed that the President had picked out the three men of all others in the nation who could command the respect and confidence of the nation in reference to the purpose he had in view in the matter. You cannot make crime out of this, Senators.

The President had one purpose in view, and that was to change the head of the War Department, and it would have delighted him to make the change, and put there permanently any competent man, and thus get rid of the condition of his Cabinet. What then, gentlemen? He executed this law in other respects. He changed the forms of his commissions: he reported suspensions under this law, and, Senators, it is one of the strongest facts in this case. He did not take up this law and tear it to pieces; he did not take this law and trample it under foot; and in all other respects he tried to obey it without the surrender of his own convictions. It is said that in the suspension of Mr. Stanton he acted under the law. I cannot adjust it to your law; and instead of seizing upon that as a subject of censure, I tell you it was an overture from the President to get out of this difficulty and to conciliate you. Take that suspension-take the act. In the very letter of the message of suspension he tells you my Cabinet, and Mr. Stanton the most emphatic of all, believe this law is unconstitutional.

Mr. Stanton was the one that was selected to draw up these objections. But the President tells you in that act of suspension what his views were about the law. He goes on and tells you further in that very message:-"We had this matter up in the Cabinet meeting, when the Secretaries said it did not apply to him or to any other of Mr. Lincoln's Cabinet." All these opinions were in his mind. He communicated them in the very message

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