COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-SECOND CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

65-972

JUNE 22, 23, 24, 29, 30, AND JULY 12, 1971

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COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS

THOMAS E. MORGAN, Pennsylvania, Chairman

ROY J. BULLOCK, Staff Administrator

SUBCOMMITTEE ON ASIAN AND PACIFIC AFFAIRS
CORNELIUS E. GALLAGHER, New Jersey, Chairman

LEE H. HAMILTON, Indiana
CHARLES C. DIGGS, JR., Michigan
LESTER L. WOLFF, New York
ABRAHAM KAZEN, JR., Texas
JOHN W. DAVIS, Georgia
MORGAN F. MURPHY, Illinois

WILLIAM S. BROOMFIELD, Michigan
J. IRVING WHALLEY, Pennsylvania
VERNON W. THOMSON, Wisconsin
J. HERBERT BURKE, Florida
SEYMOUR HALPERN, New York
PIERRE S. DU PONT, Delaware

CHARLES P. WITTER, Subcommittee Staff Consultant
JEAN BROWN, Staff Assistant

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CONTENTS

LIST OF WITNESSES

sday, June 22, 1971:

Page

Dow, Hon. John J., a Representative in Congress from the State of

New York----

38

McClory, Hon. Robert, a Representative in Congress from the State

of Illinois--.

Montgomery, Hon. G. V. (Sonny), a Representative in Congress

from the State of Mississippi...

Rosenthal, Hon. Benjamin S., a Representative in Congress from the

State of New York - -

18

39

3

Wolff, Hon. Lester L., a Representative in Congress from the State of

New York-

26

Wednesday, June 23, 1971:

Buchanan, Hon. John, a Representative in Congress from the State

of Alabama---

51

Dow, Hon. John J., a Representative in Congress from the State of

New York--

45

Matsunaga, Hon. Spark M., a Representative in Congress from the

State of Hawaii - -

87

Robison, Hon. Howard W., a Representative in Congress from the

State of New York - -

66

Thursday, June 24, 1971:

Abourezk, Hon. James, a Representative in Congress from the State

of South Dakota__

145

Abzug, Hon. Bella, a Representative in Congress from the State of

New York---

136

Anderson, Hon. John B., a Representative in Congress from the State

of Illinois-

120

Leggett, Hon. Robert L., a Representative in Congress from the State
of California_.

91

Pepper, Hon. Claude, a Representative in Congress from the State of

Florida---

133

Tuesday, June 29, 1971:

Bingham, Hon. Jonathan B., a Representative in Congress from the

State of New York.

152

Gibbons, Hon. Sam M., a Representative in Congress from the State

of Florida..

197

McCloskey, Hon. Paul N., a Representative in Congress from the

State of California_

163

Ryan, Hon. William F., a Representative in Congress from the State

of New York----

210

Waldie, Hon. Jerome R., a Representative in Congress from the State
of California _ _

206

Wednesday, June 30, 1971:

Fraser, Hon. Donald M., a Representative in Congress from the State

of Minnesota--

219

Keith, Hon. Hastings, a Representative in Congress from the State of

Massachusetts - -

228

Monday, July 12, 1971:

Green, Hon. Marshall, Assistant Secretary for East Asian and Pacific

Affairs, Department of State---

236

(III)

STATEMENTS SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD

BY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS

Statement of Hon. Brock Adams, a Representative in Congress from the

State of Washington..

Statement of Hon. Joseph P. Addabbo, a Representative in Congress from

the State of New York.

261

266

Statement of Hon. William S. Broomfield, a Representative in Congress

from the State of Michigan..

2

Statement of Hon. O. Clark Fisher, a Representative in Congress from the

State of Texas..

266

Statement of Hon. Joseph E. Karth, a Representative in Congress from the

State of Minnesota__

268

Statement of Hon. Romano L. Mazzoli, a Representative in Congress from

the State of Kentucky.

270

Statement of Hon. Parren J. Mitchell, a Representative in Congress from

the State of Maryland

271

Statement of Hon. David R. Obey, a Representative in Congress from the

State of Wisconsin..

272

Statement of Hon. Albert H. Quie, a Representative in Congress from the

State of Minnesota__.

20

Statement of Hon. John R. Rarick, a Representative in Congress from the

State of Louisiana__

273

Statement of Hon. John G. Schmitz, a Representative in Congress from

the State of California.

275

Statement of Hon. John F. Seiberling, a Representative in Congress from

the State of Ohio..

277

Statement of Hon. Dick Shoup, a Representative in Congress from the

State of Montana..

279

Statement of Hon. Al Ullman, a Representative in Congress from the State

of Oregon...-

283

STATEMENTS AND MEMORANDUMS SUBMITTED

FOR THE RECORD

Table submitted by Congressman Rosenthal showing total allied casualties
from 1969-March 1971..

7

Article from the Washington Post entitled "Viet Politicking: U.S. Plane,
U.S. Adviser and Thieu's Man".

26

Letter submitted by Congressman Wolff from Major General Edward G.
Lansdale, USAF Ret.

30

Poll from Opinion Research Corp., Princeton, New Jersey, submitted by
Congressman Buchanan..

52

Article from the Washington Post entitled "VC Would Liquidate 3 Million
If It Won, U.S. Expert Contends".

54

Report submitted to Congressman Buchanan by the Office of the Secretary
of Defense concerning Vietnamization___

56

Remarks of Rev. Theodore M. Hesburgh, C.S.C., President of Notre
Dame University-

Statement by member of DRV delegation and DRV press spokesman
Nguyen Thanh Le to Congressman Seymour Halpern_-
Transcript of Conversation between Congressman Seymour Halpern and
Nguyen Thanh Le, DRV delegation.

Statement by PRG deputy spokesman Nguyen Van Tien to Congressman
Seymour Halpern____

Transcript of conversation between Congressman Seymour Halpern and
Mr. Nguyen Van Tien, PRG delegation.......
Transcripts of conversations with representatives of the North Vietnamese
and Vietcong submitted by Congressman Leggett, and press release
Text of H.R. 317, expressing the sense of the Congress with respect to the
proposed "proportional repatriation" plan for obtaining the release of
American prisoners held in Southeast Asia

Article by Representative Robert L. Leggett entitled "How To Bring
Them All Home".

Letter addressed to Congressman Leggett from Mrs. Barbara R. Mullen,
wife of a prisoner of war in Laos...

110

Information supplied by Congressman Bingham concerning French re-
solution on withdrawal from Algeria___

156

LEGISLATION ON THE INDOCHINA WAR

TUESDAY, JUNE 22, 1971

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN AFFAIRS,

SUBCOMMITTEE ON ASIAN AND PACIFIC AFFAIRS,

Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met at 2:45 p.m., in room 2172, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Cornelius E. Gallagher (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Mr. GALLAGHER. The subcommittee will come to order.

I want to welcome you here this afternoon as the Asian and Pacific Affairs Subcommittee opens the first comprehensive House hearings into bills and resolutions relating to ending the war in Indochina.

Today, we are hearing arguments of national security advanced over the publication of documents relating to the beginning and escalation of our involvement in the region. As important as national security may be, perhaps even more important to America is that the problems of Indochina are threatening our national sanity. Mistrust of our leaders past and present and disgust over the results of our policies are ripping apart the fragile fabric of our society and poisoning much of our national life.

As but one brief example which distresses me immensely this afternoon, the war in Indochina has so clouded our view of Asian affairs that we seem virtually immobilized in the face of the unprecedented human tragedy of East Pakistan.

The purpose of our hearing is not to perform a divisive exercise in name calling or guilt-ascribing over our past Indochina actions. I know of no people, inside or outside of the Congress, who want this war to continue. Who among us wants the killing of either Americans or Asians to continue? We are united in our desire to see our prisoners of war released from their cruel confinement.

So there are areas of agreement and positions around which men of good will can unite.

The question before us is not whether the war should end. The questions we are considering are when the war will end and how best to bring it about. What will the United States leave behind in Indochina as we conclude our combat role?

In light of the recent confirmation of our involvement in the overthrow of the Diem regime which disturbed the existing natural political balance, we created an inescapable moral commitment to the governments in Saigon which have followed. I opposed that decision at the time and we must now ask ourselves hard questions about America's legitimate interest in governments or the personalities in power in Saigon. I believe we must consider whether our current or postcombat policy in Vietnam and in all of Indochina should concern itself with