although the witnesses have referred to it so frequently, and used it as a basis of their testimony, that it would seem to me only fair that the committee should have the same right to it as the witnesses. Mr. BIDDLE. I will inquire about that.

Mr. WOODWARD. I didn't bring it up originally. I only referred to it when I was questioned in such a way that I had to use it.

Representative WOLVERTON. Yes; it was in answer to my questions that caused you to look at the book for the information; yes, I understand that.

Now, once or twice reference has been made either by this witness, on the record, or off the record, and by other witnesses, with reference to some book; is it called a bluebook? They spoke on information

Mr. WOODWARD. That is a compendium of information

Representative WOLVERTON. Is that what some witness referred to as an encyclopedia of information?

Mr. WOODWARD. It might properly be done. It is issued every 6 months, and distributed to our whole staff and is supposed to give to all of our employees every kind of information that they could want to use in any way in doing their work.

Representative WOLVERTON. It is sort of a manual of T. V. A.

data?

Mr. WOODWARD. That is right.

Mr. BIDDLE. This is in evidence, and you have one in your office. It was one of Colonel Parker's exhibits, and all of Colonel Parker's exhibits were distributed.

Representative WOLVERTON. They come in so fast that it requires a clerk to check them as they come in to see what is coming in, we get so much.

Well, that will be all at this time. I have other questions, but I have taken an awful lot of time and I appreciate the courtesy of the committee, and I won't press further.

Chairman DONAHEY. Any further questions of this witness?

Senator SCHWARTZ. I just want to ask this: Considerable was said about the value of land that you purchased under the dam, and how the value is arrived at, and I am wondering whether you could put in the record a sample of the report made by the land inspector showing the character of the land, and timber, and cropland, and improvements generally, and the different elements of value upon which the amount paid to the landowner is arrived at?

Mr. BIDDLE. Mr. Snyder's testimony-there are three or four exhibits showing precisely those figures. Mr. Snyder was land-acquisition expert, and I will draw your attention to them later.

Senator SCHWARTZ. All right.

Mr. WOODWARD. May I add, Senator Schwartz, that the land acquisitions are entirely independent of my field or the engineering end, except as we consult, but they act like an independent appraising agency, presumed to be unbiased, and we can't influence them.

We give them a great deal of data and information, but they make the decision, so that I couldn't really

Senator SCHWARTZ. Don't feel bad about my question, because we have examined every witness on every conceivable subject after he

has stated that he doesn't know anything about it, so we are just sort of fishing along here.

Chairman DONAHEY. Any further question by any other member of the committee?

Mr. BIDDLE. There are one or two things that I would like to put in as exhibits, and state in answer to Mr. Wolverton's question with respect to the amount of taxes lost, I refer to exhibit 306 introduced on the 1st of September, and that shows-I will read from it.

It is estimated that for the nine reservoir projects completed, under construction, or proposed by the Tennessee Valley Authority in the Tennessee Valley on the Tennessee and Hiwassee Rivers, real property assessed at slightly more than $12,000,000 will be removed from taxation by Federal purchase. This will reduce the total annual revenue of 40 counties, by $242,329, and the States of Tennessee, Alabama, Kentucky, and Mississippi, by $26,360.

That latter figure is a gross figure, and against that has not been calculated the amount of revenues coming into the State on the 5percent basis, but that is the figure about which Mr. Wolverton asked, annual loss of $242,329.

Representative WOLVERTON. Does that include Gilbertsville?

Mr. BIDDLE. That includes nine dams, and that includes Gilbertsville.

Representative WOLVERTON. What one doesn't it include?

Mr. BIDDLE. It doesn't include Wilson Dam. You see it is nine, plus Wilson.

Representative WOLVERTON. It doesn't include that site.

Mr. BIDDLE. Of course, that already having been taken.

Mr. Woodward asked to have his brief statement, which he had prepared, introduced as an exhibit. It may cover certain additional items about which he hasn't testified, and he asked that I introduce this. This is simply a summary of what he has said.

(Whereupon the document above referred to was received in evidence and marked "Exhibit No. 502.")

Mr. BIDDLE. This seems to be a very useful map, showing the valley and each dam better than any map I know, and I think it would be very well to have that also put in the record, if I may.

Chairman DONAHEY. So ordered,

(Whereupon the document above referred to was received in evidence and marked "Exhibit No. 503.")

Mr. BIDDLE. The findings of the court have been referred to so many times, it seems to me, that it might be appropriate to introduce the findings. They have been referred to this morning and on several other occasions, and I would like to introduce the findings in the Eighteen Power Companies case, as an exhibit into the record. (Whereupon the document above referred to was received in evidence and marked "Exhibit No. 504.")

(Witness excused.)

TESTIMONY OF J. HADEN ALLDREDGE

Chairman DONAHEY. Give your name and address to the reporter. Mr. ALLDREDGE. My name is J. H. Alldredge, and I am a resident of Norris, Tenn.

Chairman DONAHEY. Will you give a statement to the reporter of your position and experience?

Mr. ALLDREDGE. Yes; I will hand it to him right now.

Senator SCHWARTZ. Is that statement just your past experience and so forth-as far as I am concerned, I would like to have you read it.

Mr. ELWELL. Mr. Chairman, this witness has prepared a statement, and also a biographical sketch. However, if the chairman or the committee wish, we can circularize these statements now before he testifies, or-depending upon the wishes of the committee.

Chairman DONAHEY. He has a statement and biographical sketch. Representative WOLVERTON. The statement which I have just been handed is a statement of Sherman M. Woodward, before the joint committee.

Mr. ELWELL. That is correct, that was what Mr. Woodward requested to be submitted as an exhibit, to cover any points that he may have omitted in his testimony, as Mr. Biddle explained.

Representative WOLVERTON. But I thought that you said a statement had been given to us

Mr. ELWELL. Mr. Alldredge has a prepared statement, if the committee wishes, they can be given to the members of the committee now, or as the committee wishes, after the witness has testified. Chairman DONAHEY. Give them to the committee at the present time.

Mr. ALLDREDGE. My present position

Senator SCHWARTZ. Excuse me a moment. Where is the biographical sketch?

Mr. ALLDREDGE. It is the last page, I think.

Senator SCHWARTZ. May I suggest that this biographical statement precede the witness' statement, as a part of the record, because there are going to be parties who will read this statement, and they may never get to the end of it, and want to know who is talking all the time.

Chairman DONAHEY. Without objection, so ordered. (The biographical statement is as follows:)

BIOGRAPHY OF J. HADEN ALLDREDGE, DIRECTOR, COMMERCE DEPARTMENT
TENNESSEE VALLEY AUTHORITY

J. Haden Alldredge was born in Blount County, Ala., 51 years ago, and grew up in that community, later attending the Central Alabama Agricultural School, from which he was graduated in 1909. Afterward he studied special subjects under private tutors. The next part of his education consisted of a business course. Finding a knowledge of law essential in the pursuit of his work, he studied this subject under the direction of eminent lawyers and was admitted to practice before the courts of Alabama and in Federal courts. Still later he attended the Jones Law School at Montgomery, Ala., being graduated with an LL. B. degree. He was admitted to the special bar of the Interstate Commerce Commission in 1929.

From 1910 to the present time-a period of approximately 28 years-Mr. Alldredge has been continually engaged in transportation and industrial work of an economic nature and in the study of transportation and transportation problems. During this period he was traffic manager for 9 years for a company producing canned foods with headquarters at Montgomery, Ala. During this time he also served for a year as secretary of the freight bureau of the Montgomery, (Ala.) Chamber of Commerce. In this capacity he acted as a

traffic adviser to a boat line operating on the Alabama River. He then became traffic manager of the Dothan (Ala.) Chamber of Commerce, serving in that capacity for approximately 3 years. After that he became general freight and passenger agent of the Atlanta & St. Andrews Bay Railway Co., which position he held for a year. He then became associated with the Alabama Public Service Commission, first as chief examiner and transportation rate expert, and then as director of its transportation bureau in immediate charge of the regulation of railroads, express companies, boat lines, and motor carriers. These positions he held for approximately 12 years.

During this period, Mr. Alldredge actively participated in the major investigations of the Interstate Commerce Commission concerning rates and other transportation questions in the Southeast. He also acted as technical adviser to the committee of State regulatory commissions in the general investigations of class rates in southern territory and between that territory and the North. He also acted as technical adviser and presented the major technical studies for southern shipping interests in the cases involving rates on cotton and knitting factory products and marble and stone within the South and between southern and eastern territories. His connection with the State government of Alabama also brought him in contact with many industrial problems of the Southeast. He was called upon on several occasions to assist the Governor of the State in making industrial studies and assisting in the location of new industries.

On September 1, 1934, Mr. Alldredge accepted employment with the Tennessee Valley Authority at Knoxville as transportation economist and built up its transportation economics division. On April 18, 1938, he was made director of the newly formed commerce department.

Before coming with the Authority, Mr. Alldredge had become known as an author in the field of transportation economics. Specifically, he is the author of "Rate-making for Common-carriers," published in 1929; editor and associate author of the fourth edition of "Watkins on Shippers and Carriers," a recognized legal authority on the law of common carriers, published in 1930; author of a monograph on "Competition As a Factor in Making Freight Rates," published in 1930; author of one of the articles on transportation in the volume on Banking and Transportation Problems, published as part of the Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science in January 1934, and author of numerous magazine articles of a transportation nature. coming with the Authority he has conducted several studies concerning transportation, two of which have been published as Congressional documents, namely, "The Interterritorial Freight Rate Problem of the United States," and "A History of Navigation on the Tennessee River System."

Since

Mr. ALLDREDGE. My present position is director of the commerce department of the Tennessee Valley Authority.

Chairman DONAHEY. Are you ready to proceed with the witness? Representative WOLVERTON. May I ask a question, just for a moment? You have introduced this biographical sketch; what has been your background of experience in navigation?

Mr. ALLDREDGE. Well, I referred to the experience with the Public Service Commission of Alabama-in that position I had immediate charge of all of the regulatory work connected with navigation and all of the other transportation agencies in the State, which covered a period of about 12 years.

Prior to that time, while I wasn't directly employed by a boat line, I was its traffic advisor for a year or so, and then

Representative WOLVERTON. To make it short-I don't want to take the time up-this isn't the time for me to question in view of the fact that it seemed important to have your background of experience at the beginning, I was interested to know what it had been for the particular job that you now hold with the T. V. A., which relates to navigation.

It seemed as if what you submitted to the committee relates only to traffic positions that you have held.

Mr. ALLDREDGE. My present

Representative WOLVERTON. But as I understand, you are the head of the department of navigation at the T. V. A., and I didn't see anything in your biography that related to navigation.

Mr. ALLDREDGE. I intended to explain that in my opening statement of my testimony.

Mr. ELWELL. Mr. Chairman, may I ask a question, just for the purpose of the record? I would like to correct that last statement of yours. You are not head of the navigation department; you are director of the commerce department; are you not?

Mr. ALLDREDGE. That is right.

Mr. ELWELL. Will you explain, Mr. Alldredge, the functions of your department and the divisions in your department? I understand that you have a statement.

Mr. ALLDREDGE. That is true.

Representative WOLVERTON. That is my mistake, then. I based it on the letter that I received from Mr. Biddle that you would testify on the matter of navigation.

Mr. ALLDREDGE. I will cover that.

Representative WOLVERTON. And I assumed that you were in charge of that.

Mr. ALLDREDGE. I will cover that.

Representative WOLVERTON. I won't ask any further questions. Chairman DONA HEY. Would you mind repeating your question? Senator DAVIS. Did you ever operate a system of boats and barges! Mr. ALLDREDGE. Operate them? No, sir.

Senator DAVIS. You have had no experience at all along that line! Mr. ALLDREDGE. In the operation, no; personally I haven't, but I have men in my department who have had that experience.

Senator DAVIS. Would you care to give us their names?

Mr. ALLDREDGE. Well, the head-the department is composed of three divisions, the river transportation division, which is made up primarily of navigation engineers; the transportation and industrial economics division, which is made up mostly of people with economic training; then the raw material-research division, which is made up primarily of mining engineers and geologists.

Now, Mr. C. T. Barker heads the river transportation division. He was for 12 years or more, a member of the staff of the United States district engineers working with navigation on the various rivers of the United States. In his department, he has men of varied experience, one of whom is the captain who piloted the boat that the committee rode on, on the Tennessee River, who has 30 or more years' experience as shipmaster and ship pilot.

Chairman DONAHEY. Does that answer your question?

Senator DAVIS. Yes.

Chairman DONAHEY. You have been allotted 2 hours to make your statement to the committee uninterrupted, and after that you will be questioned by members of the committee.