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Vento, Hon. Bruce F., correspondence with Secretary Samuel R. Pierce, Jr.—
Continued

Dated February 8, 1985, with Chairman Fernand J. St Germain and
Chairman Henry B. Gonzalez, re new evidence on urban development
action grant to Amhoist facility in Wilmington, NC, with enclosures...... 2826
Dated March 11, 1985, containing questions in regard to Amhoist facility
for Secretary Pierce to respond to at hearing....

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MARCH 14, 1985: NEHEMIAH PLAN/ACADEMICS

WITNESSES

Adams, Bishop John, A.M.E. Church, Washington, DC.
Ayala, Helen, president, Communities Organized for Public Service, San An-
tonio, TX..

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Butler, Stuart M., director of domestic policy studies, The Heritage Foundation, Washington, DC

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Gecan, Mike, national staff, Industrial Areas Foundation, Saul Linsky Institute....

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Gliedman, Hon. Anthony, commissioner, New York City Department of Housing Preservation and Development

2877

Goffe, Carmella, Nehemiah homeowner, Brownsville, NY.
Hartman, Chester, fellow, Institute for Policy Studies.

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McCollum, Alice, Nehemiah homeowner, Brownsville, NY

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Martin, M. Winston, executive director, San Antonio Development Agency,
San Antonio, TX..

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Owens, Hon. Major R., a Representative in Congress from the State of New
York.

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Robbins, I.D., general manager, Nehemiah plan

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Rodwell, Gary, president, The Build Organization, Baltimore, MD

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Roistacher, Elizabeth A., associate professor of economics, Queens College,

City University of New York.

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Torres, Angel, Nehemiah homeowner, Brooklyn, NY

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Torres, Josephine, Nehemiah homeowner, Brooklyn, NY.

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Trejo, Grace, South Central Organizing Committee, Los Angeles, CA

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Weicher, John C., F.K. Weyerhaeuser scholar in public policy research, American Enterprise Institute, Washington, DC.........

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Wescott, Rev. Edward, international missions director, Missouri Synod Lutheran Church

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Wilbur, Jan, president, The Metropolitan Organization, Houston, TX.
Youngblood, Rev. Johnny Ray, East Brooklyn Churches........

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man," by Philip Abrams...

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Martin, M. Winston, prepared statement on behalf of the San Antonio Development Agency

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Owens, Hon. Major R., prepared statement..

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Robbins, I.D., prepared statement

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Roistacher, Elizabeth A., prepared statement "Selling Public Housing: Should
We Try? Who Will Buy? Lessons From Britain".

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Weicher, John C., prepared statement "Low-Income Housing Policy: Basic
Issues"

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APPENDIX

ADDITIONAL MATERIAL SUBMITTED FOR INCLUSION IN THE RECORD

"Abandoned Americans," article by Dorothy Wickenden, The New Republic, March 18, 1985....

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American Association of Retired Persons [AARP], letter dated March 22, 1985, from Karen O. Cobble, intern, office of the legal counsel for the elderly, with enclosed material regarding mandatory meal plans....... Cuyahoga Metropolitan Housing Authority, Cleveland, OH, report entitled "Tenant Management Research Report: 1984".

Family Health Services, Inc., Jacksonville, FL, letters from:

Vicki L. Jones

Davalu C. Mudd, DPA, executive director, dated March 18, 1985..
Federal Emergency Management Agency, letter from Jeffrey S. Bragg, Ad-
ministrator, Federal Insurance Administration, with enclosed report "Risk
Studies Completion and Full Program Status," dated September 1984.
First Presbyterian Church, Bath, NY, letter dated February 27, 1985, from
Rev. David S. Barnard, pastor.

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Global Insurance, Silver Spring, MD, statement on H.R. 1 by Barry L.
Mersky, dated March 11, 1985.

God's Love, Inc., Helena, MT, letter dated September 14, 1984, from Ann
Miller, director, with attached analysis of the HUD report "A Report to the
Secretary on the Homeless and Emergency Shelters"

Hale Mahaolu, Kahului, HI, letter dated March 13, 1985, signed by members of the professional assessment committee and members of community support services.

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Hudson/Park Neighborhood Association, Inc., Albany, NY, letter from
Marion F. Paulopoulos, president

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Landauer Associates, Inc., New York, NY, letter dated March 18, 1985, from Hugh F. Kelly, vice president, with attached memorandum reviewing a draft of a portion of H.R. 1...........

Legal Aid Society of San Mateo County, Redwood City, CA, letter dated
March 5, 1985, from Steven Zieff, attorney at law, with enclosures.....
Letters from city councils, housing authorities, and so forth:

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Archdiocesan Housing Committee, Inc., Denver, CO, letter dated March 11, 1985..

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Claude McKay Housing Association, Inc., New York, NY, letter dated March 22, 1985, from Alex Prempeh, president, with attached press release of the Harlem Urban Nehemiah Housing Coalition..... Community Economic Development Council Inc., Jacksonville, FL, letter dated March 20, 1985, from John W. Demps, Sr., executive director......... 3298 Corning city clerk, Corning, NY, letter dated March 12, 1985, from Rose M. Stranges..

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Greenville Housing Authority, Greenville, TX, letter dated March 8, 1985,
from John Price, chairman of the board, with attached resolution
Islip town clerk, Islip, NY, letter dated March 6, 1985, from William P.
Tyler, with attached resolution

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Mamaroneck Board of Trustees, Mamaroneck, NY, letter dated March 11, 1985, from Beth Hofstetter, trustee

3277

Plattsburgh city clerk, Plattsburgh, NY, letter dated February 26, 1985, from Aline G. Cote...

3283

Rochester Housing Authority, Rochester, NY, letter dated March 12, 1985, from Thomas F. McHugh, executive director.

3284

Tampa Housing Authority, Tampa, FL, letter dated March 11, 1985, from
Juan A. Patterson, executive director.....

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Letters from individuals:

Harold M. Brownell, Avoca, NY, dated March 4, 1985..
Ruth E. Brownell, Avoca, NY, dated March 4, 1985

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Jarrell, Hon. James, Buena Park, CA, dated March 6, 1985.

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Sanchez, Hon. Roy G., Floresville, TX, dated March 1, 1985, with attached resolution

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Michigan Community Development Directors Association, Redford, MI, statement...

3320

Retirement Housing Foundation, Los Angeles, CA, letter dated February 8, 1984, from Clark Harshfield, executive director.

3326

Riverside Avondale Preservation, Inc., Jacksonville, FL, letter dated March 20, 1985, from Leslee F. Keys, executive director

3328

Robinson, Julia O., director of housing, Philadelphia, PA, letter dated March 21, 1985.

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St. Margaret's House, New York, NY, letter dated April 18, 1985, from Nancy
B. Serpico, administrator, with enclosures......
Senior Citizens Fighting Mandatory Meals, New York, NY, petition signed by
elderly tenants designating Randall B. Smith to attend hearing...
Schreiberg, Sheldon L., counsel, National Advisory Council of HUD Manage-
ment Agents, statement on H.R. 1 dated March 14, 1985....

United Way of America, statement on their position on hunger and homeless-
ness, dated February 27, 1984.

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Valentine, Hon. Tim, letter dated March 1, 1985, to Chairman Fernand J. St Germain with enclosed constituent letter re the Farmers Home Administration Rural Rental Program

Woodstock Institute, Chicago, IL, letter dated March 21, 1985, from Elspeth
Rivere, president, with enclosed report "The Impact of HMDA on Credit
Availability in Chicago Neighborhoods," by Jean Pogge..

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HOUSING ACT OF 1985

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 13, 1985

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

COMMITTEE ON BANKING, FINANCE AND URBAN AFFAIRS, SUBCOMMITTEE ON HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, Washington, DC.

The subcommittee met at 9:30 a.m., in room 2128 of the Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Henry B. Gonzalez (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Present: Representatives Gonzalez, Oakar, Vento, Garcia, Frank, Morrison, Cooper, Erdreich, Levin, Carper, Kanjorski, Manton, McKinney, Wylie, Roukema, Wortley, Ridge, Bartlett, Roth, Grotberg, and Kolbe.

Chairman GONZALEZ. The subcommittee will please come to order.

The Subcommittee on Housing and Community Development this morning continues its legislative hearings. We hear from the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development this morning, Mr. Samuel R. Pierce, Jr. We welcome the Secretary again this time. It's been almost 2 years since we had the Secretary before us and, of course, many developments have occurred during that time, the most recent being the administration's budget, which in my opinion proposes to do very serious and eggregious damage to the 45year effort of housing low- and moderate-income people.

There are a large number of issues and I believe the members have many questions they will be asking this morning of you, Mr. Secretary, so I have intended not to speak at any great length in these opening remarks.

Suffice it to say that we in Congress are facing a very straightforward issue this year, whether or not we will continue the Federal effort of providing housing for low- and moderate-income people. This is the basis upon which I am proceeding with legislative efforts this year.

As I have said repeatedly, this is a year of proof. We either do or do not reaffirm a national policy or commitment of over 40 years standing.

I know that you have a prepared statement which has been given to me in the interim and, as usual, you may proceed as you may see best. You may wish to read your prepared statement or you may wish to summarize it. Either way, your statement will be presented as you have written it for the record at this point.

I recognize Mr. McKinney, the ranking member, for any statement or other purposes he may wish to address.

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Mr. MCKINNEY. Mr. Secretary, it's a pleasure to have you here this morning.

Mr. Chairman, there's going to be a lot said to the Secretary today and I think I should make it very clear for the record that I happen to personally know that the Secretary did heroic battle in the Executive Office Building with OMB to try and keep the administration from making some of the draconian cuts that were proposed for his Department. He fought long and hard for that and I'm eternally grateful. I'm afraid he lost in some areas but it's very difficult to fight off Mr. Stockman. I am lucky. In the 14 years that I have been here I have disliked and ignored OMB under every type of administration and I shall continue my same practice with this administration.

Mr. Secretary, it's a delight to have you here.
Secretary PIERCE. Thank you.

Chairman GONZALEZ. Thank you. Does any other member wish to say anything at this point? We will recognize you briefly if you do.

Mr. WYLIE. Mr. Chairman, I just want to extend a warm welcome to the Secretary and I look forward to hearing from Mr. Pierce this morning. Thank you.

Chairman GONZALEZ. Mr. Secretary.

STATEMENT OF HON. SAMUEL R. PIERCE, JR., SECRETARY, DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, ACCOMPANIED BY JEFFREY FINKLE, ACTING DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY, COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, AND ALFRED C. MORAN, ASSISTANT SECRETARY-DESIGNEE, COMMUNITY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT

Secretary PIERCE. I thank you very kindly, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Chairman and members of the subcommittee: It is a pleasure to appear before you and to testify on the fiscal 1986 budget and legislative proposals for the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

When I became Secretary of HUD, I took to heart President Reagan's charge to reduce the size and cost of Government while continuing to help the most needy. To build a future of hope for all the American people, we had to halt runaway inflation and promote a strong and lasting economic recovery.

The economic recovery is both history and current events. Inflation that in 1980 seemed stuck at double digits has been reduced to 3 and 4 percent these past 3 years. The stock market that was entering a recession is now surging to record highs.

The housing industry, once in the depths of despair, is backhale and hearty.

And, I'm proud to say, we are helping to house more needy people than ever have been housed before. This administration is directing our assistance to people-not bricks and mortar. We're doing this while reducing the Nation's assisted housing debt. The chart over to my left dramatically portrays this fact and I'd like to say just a few words about it.

When I came to HUD in 1981, my financial people said that we were facing a tremendous assisted housing debt, that by 1982 it

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