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Mr. CLARDY. I will not listen to counsel. I have told you before that counsel has no privilege of addressing the Chair.

Mr. TAVENNER. Were you personally acquainted with Herbert Philbrick?

Mr. WEITZMAN. Questions pertaining to individuals, questions pertaining to association are the same and I have the right to associate or refuse to associate with whomever I choose. That is my right. Hence I feel that I would be impugning the first amendment and therefore I decline to answer on the grounds of the first amendment and in the light of the present circumstances I assert the privileges under the fifth amendment and all its provisions.

Mr. CLARDY. It will be sufficient in the future for you to say that you refuse to answer upon the grounds previously stated, if that is your desire, and we will follow that and avoid long, drawn-out

answers.

Now, will you proceed, Mr. Tavenner.

Mr. TAVENNER. Was Mr. Philbrick's identification of you as a member of the supersecret teacher-training group of the Communist Party true or was it false?

Mr. WEITZMAN. I decline to answer on the grounds of privilege as previously stated.

Mr. TAVENNER. Was Mr. Philbrick's identification of you as chairman of the district educational commission of the Communist Party true or false?

Mr. WEITZMAN. I decline to answer on constitutional grounds as previously indicated.

Mr. TAVENNER. Did you address a branch of the Communist Party at Malden, Mass., during the election campaign of Mr. Roche?

Mr. WEITZMAN. I decline to answer that question on the same grounds as I have already given this committee.

Mr. TAVENNER. Are you now a member of the Communist Party? Mr. WEITZMAN. That question also pertains to the right of association or lack of association, and it is therefore my right under the Constitution to refuse to answer under the first as well as the fifth amendment, particularly the provision against self-incrimination.

Mr. TAVENNER. Were you ever a member of the Communist Party? Mr. WEITZMAN. I wish to give the same answer to this question as I have to the previous question.

Mr. TAVENNER. I have no further questions, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. CLARDY. I have no questions whatever. Is there any reason this witness should be continued under the subpena?

Mr. TAVENNER. No.

Mr. CLARDY. The witness is excused, and this hearing is adjourned until 10 o'clock tomorrow morning.

(Whereupon, at 5: 10 p. m., the hearing was recessed until 10 a. m., Thursday, April 23, 1953.)

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