Mr. KUNZIG. To the best of your knowledge. Mrs. DOUGLAS. As to when I began. I ceased to do so quite some years ago but I wouldn't want to guess the year.

Mr. KUNZIG. Would you have had an account there between, say 1936 and 1939?

Mrs. DOUGLAS. Yes, sir; to the best of my knowledge.

Mr. KUNZIG. During the period from December 1936 to June 1939 did you use this account to furnish funds to one William Weiner, then treasurer of the Communist Party of the United States?

Mrs. DOUGLAS. Under the privilege accorded me of the fifth amendment, I refuse to answer this question.

Mr. KUNZIG. What was your average monthly contribution to the Commuinst Party during your membership in the said organization?

Mrs. DOUGLAS. Obviously that is a catch question, and I refuse to answer under the privilege.

Mr. KUNZIG. I will change the question. What was your average monthly contribution to the Communist Party? I will leave out the portion as to the membership.

Mrs. DOUGLAS. Same answer.

Mr. KUNZIG. Did you ever have any association with the World Tourist Bureau, World Tourists, Inc.

Mrs. DOUGLAS. I do not recall any such organization.

Mr. KUNZIG. Did you contribute, or is it true that you contributed, $600 per month to the Communist Party in 1936 to 1939, average monthly contributions?

Mrs. DOUGLAS. Under the privilege accorded me under the fifth amendment, I refuse to answer.

Mr. KUNZIG. Do you know one Jacob Golos.

Mrs. DOUGLAS. Never heard of him that I know of.

Mr. KUNZIG. No further questions, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. VELDE. Mr. Clardy.

Mr. CLARDY. I have no questions.

Mr. VELDE. Mr. Scherer.

Mr. Walter.

Mr. WALTER. No questions.

Mr. VELDE. Mr. Doyle.
Mr. DOYLE. No questions.
Mr. VELDE. Mr. Frazier.
Mr. FRAZIER. No questions.

Mr. VELDE. You mentioned previously that you had a statement that you wanted to submit.

Mrs. DOUGLAS. Yes, sir. Thank you for the courtesy.

Mr. VELDE. Before we hear the statement, I want to make it clear that you have refused to answer questions relating to your Communist activities.

Mrs. DOUGLAS. I am sorry, sir. Could I hear that a little louder. Mr. VELDE. And the committee will have to consider the statement that you have in executive session before receiving it for the files. Mr. LONDON. May I say something? This statement

Mr. VELDE. It has been the ruling that counsel has a right to confer with the witness, but not to make any statements.

Mrs. DOUGLAS. May I confer with my counsel on this subject, as it may involve a point of law of which I may be unaware?

Mr. VELDE. Certainly.

(At this point Mrs. Douglas conferred with Mr. London.)

Mrs. DOUGLAS. Mr. Chairman, I do not know to what extent the Chair can be held accountable for his own statements, but you said quite clearly when I asked for the privilege of submitting the statement at the outset that you would receive it as soon as I had completed evidence.

Mr. VELDE. As long as you cooperate, Mrs. Douglas, and answer the questions, then, of course, we would allow you to submit the statement. But, of course, you have not cooperated in answering the questions that have been asked you.

Mrs. DOUGLAS. So far as I know, the Chair's statement was unconditional. Could I hear the record on that?

Mr. CLARDY. May I ask her a question first, Mr. Chairman?
Mr. VELDE. Mr. Clardy.

Mr. CLARDY. Mrs. Douglas, does this statement have to do with matters other than those covered by the questions that have been submitted to you?

Mrs. DOUGLAS. Mr. Chairman, this statement

Mr. CLARDY. I am not the chairman.

Mrs. DOUGLAS. Forgive me. Would you repeat the question, sir? Mr. CLARDY. I say, does your statement deal with matters not touched upon by the questions that have been put to you this morning? Mrs. DOUGLAS. The statement deals with these questions both substantively and inferentially.

Mr. CLARDY. My question was, does it deal with matters other than that? In other words, does it go beyond the subjects touched upon in the questioning?

Mrs. DOUGLAS. Sir, I think that an introductory statement on the part of a witness, requested in the terms in which my request was couched, should be granted the courtesy of a public reading before this committee.

Mr. CLARDY. Will you answer my question so that we may have something to go on? I am seeking to find out what the statement is about so far as the general subject matter.

Mrs. DOUGLAS. It seems to me a very strange procedure on the part of the committee of Congress that a thing of this length should be excluded.

Mr. CLARDY. Will you answer the question?

Mrs. DOUGLAS. Will you repeat the question?

Mr. CLARDY. I will rephrase it again. Does the subject covered by your statement go beyond the subjects covered by the questions put to you this afternoon?

Mrs. DOUGLAS. It does not go beyond the germane connnections of those questions.

Mr. WALTER. Mr. Chairman, just a moment. It has been the custom uniformly of this committee to accept statements which either become a part of the record or do not, depending on action taken by the committee in executive session. Í see no reason why we should

depart from the rule, and I suggest that you permit the witness to file the statement, and we can hereafter determine whether or not it will be made a part of the record.

Mr. CLARDY. That was going to be my suggestion.

Mr. VELDE. It is so ordered. The committee is recessed.

(Thereupon, at 2: 20 p. m., the hearing was recessed until 10 a. m., Tuesday, March 17, 1953.)

COMMUNIST METHODS OF INFILTRATION

(Education-Part 2)

TUESDAY, MARCH 17, 1953

UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
COMMITTEE ON UN-AMERICAN ACTIVITIES,

Washington, D. C.

PUBLIC HEARING

The Committee on Un-American Activities met, pursuant to call, at 10:48 a. m., in room 362, Old House Office Building, Hon. Harold H. Velde (chairman), presiding.

Committee members present: Representatives Harold H. Velde (chairman), Bernard W. Kearney, Gordon H. Scherer, Francis E. Walter, Clyde Doyle, and James B. Frazier, Jr.

Staff members present: Robert L. Kunzig, counsel; and Thomas W. Beale, Sr., chief clerk.

Mr. VELDE. The meeting will come to order.

The reporter will let the record show as being present Mr. Kearney, Mr. Scherer, Mr. Walter, Mr. Doyle, Mr. Frazier, and the chairman, a quorum of the full committee.

Do you have a witness, Mr. Counsel?

Mr. KUNZIG. Yes. The first witness is Mrs. Hulda Rees Flynn. Mr. VELDE. Will you raise your right hand?

In the testimony you are about to give before this committee, do you solemnly swear you will tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mrs. FLYNN. I do.

Mr. VELDE. Be seated, please.

Mr. KUNZIG. What is your full name, please, Mrs. Flynn?

TESTIMONY OF HULDA REES FLYNN, ACCOMPANIED BY HER COUNSEL, OLIVER S. ALLEN

Mrs. FLYNN. My full name is Hulda Rees Flynn.

Mr. KUNZIG. Are you accompanied by counsel?

Mrs. FLYNN. I am.

Mr. KUNZIG. Will counsel please identify himself for the record? Mr. ALLEN. Yes. My name is Oliver S. Allen. I am a member of the Massachusetts bar, with offices at 6 Beacon Street, Boston.

Mr. KUNZIG. What was your maiden name?

Mrs. FLYNN. My maiden name was Hulda Johnson Rees.
Mr. VELDE. Just a minute, Mr. Counsel.

Mr. KUNZIG. Yes.