Mr. VELDE. The committee will be in recess until 2 o'clock. (Thereupon, at 11:52 a. m., the hearing was recessed, to reconvene at 2 p. m. the same day.) AFTERNOON SESSION (At the hour of 2: 03 p. m. of the same day the proceedings were resumed, the following committee members being present: Representatives Harold H. Velde, Donald L. Jackson, Kit Clardy, Gordon H. Scherer, Francis E. Walter, Morgan M. Moulder (appearance noted in hearing), Clyde Doyle, and James B. Frazier, Jr. (appearance noted in hearing).) Mr. VELDE. The committee will be in order. Mr. TAVENNER. All right. Mr. Davis, be seated, please. Professor Davis, in your testimony this morning you set forth the activities of the members of your cell in three categories. One was the aid and assistance that you as Communist Party members should give in infiltrating and aiding Communist front-organizations—— Mr. DAVIS. Or professional organizations. Mr. TAVENNER. Or professional organizations; and second, Marxist study groups that you participated in; and, third, was fund-raising campaigns for the benefit of organizations in which the Communist Party was interested. I am just reminded sometimes you nod your head in approval rather than to specifically answer, and the reporter Mr. DAVIS. I see. Mr. TAVENNER. Can't put down the nodding of the head. Mr. DAVIS. This summary seems to be correct. Mr. TAVENNER. Yes. When we concluded the morning session, you were about to tell us of a caucus meeting that occurred in New York City which was addressed by Jack Stachel. Now, will you inform us fully about that meeting, what it was, its purposes and any other information you can give us about it. Mr. DAVIS. It was to determine the policies of the Communist leaders within the A. F. of T. Mr. CLARDY. Within what? Mr. DAVIS. Within the American Federation of Teachers. At that time Mr. TAVENNER. Excuse me. Will you state that over, please? Mr. DAVIS. It was called to determine the policies of the Communists who were in positions of leadership within the American Federation of Teachers. (Representatives Morgan M. Moulder and James B. Frazier, Jr., entered the hearing room at this point.) Mr. TAVENNER. In ascertaining who were those leaders Mr. DAVIS. I don't think I can Mr. TAVENNER. What was the purpose in attempting to ascertain the names of the leaders in that organization? Mr. DAVIS. Oh, no; these were Communists who were in position of leadership, and they were called by the party to the meeting in New York to determine future policy Mr. TAVENNER. Oh, I Mr. DAVIS. Of the American Federation of Teachers. Mr. TAVENNER. I'm sorry-I misunderstood you. Mr. CLARDY. They wanted to resolve a course of action? Mr. DAVIS. Yes; and this course of action was outlined by Stachey. Mr. TAVENNER. Over what area were these people selected who attended that meeting? Mr. DAVIS. From a quite wide area-from New England, the Middle Atlantic States, and I think there were some representatives from the West, the Middle West at least. Mr. TAVENNER. Now, to be certain, I understand that this was a meeting of Communist Party members Mr. DAVIS. I understood it to be; yes. Mr. TAVENNER. And it was a meeting of Communist Party persons who were also members of the Teachers' Union Mr. DAVIS. Yes. Mr. TAVENNER. Is that correct? Mr. DAVIS. Of the national federation. Mr. TAVENNER. Of the National Federation of Teachers? Mr. DAVIS. Teachers. Mr. TAVENNER. Was a person by the name of Hulda McGarvey present at that meeting? Mr. DAVIS. No. Mr. TAVENNER. Were you acquainted with Hulda McGarvey? Mr. DAVIS. Yes; I had met her at Smith at the time she was teaching there, and I met her at caucuses of the New England representatives meeting in Boston. Mr. TAVENNER. Now, when you say "caucus"-caucus of what? Mr. DAVIS. Of Communist Party members within the State Federation of Teachers. Mr. TAVENNER. And you met with her as a member of that caucus? Mr. DAVIS. Yes. Mr. TAVENNER. When was that? Mr. DAVIS. I can only fix it within the years of my party membership. I can't fix the exact date. Mr. TAVENNER. Did I understand you to state she was employed in some capacity at Smith? Mr. DAVIS. At that time. Mr. TAVENNER. How long was she employed at Smith College? Mr. DAVIS. I don't know because she had left when I went there myself to teach. Mr. TAVENNER. Oh, she was not there when you were there as a teacher? Mr. DAVIS. No. Mr. TAVENNER. Do you know whether she held any position in the Teachers' Union? Mr. DAVIS. She represented in some capacity the local at Smith. Mr. TAVENNER. Does that local still exist at Smith College? Mr. DAVIS. NO; I think it went out of business about 2 years ago. Mr. TAVENNER. Do you recall whether Doxie Wilkerson was present at that caucus in New York?. Mr. DAVIS. No; he was Mr. TAVENNER. What position did he have in the union? Mr. TAVENNER. Teachers' Union? Mr. DAVIS. He was one of the national board of American Federation of Teachers. Mr. TAVENNER. Do you recall whether or not he was also a functionary of the Communist Party? Mr. DAVIS. Not at the time in any open way, but I assumed from his presence there that he was a member. Mr. TAVENNER. Was Samuel Sillen at that meeting? Mr. DAVIS. Not at the caucus in New York, but I met him at the Communist caucus at one of the two meetings of the American Federation of Teachers I attended, and presumably the second because, as I said this morning, I don't remember going to a caucus of the first. Mr. CLARDY. Counsel, what is that name? Mr. TAVENNER. Sillen-S-i-1-1-e-n. Mr. CLARDY. His first name? Mr. TAVENNER. Sam-Samuel Sillen. What was his position at that time; do you know? Mr. DAVIS. No; he was either teaching or had been teaching somewhere in the New York area. Mr. TAVENNER. Do you know whether or not he held an official position in the Teachers' Union at that time? Mr. DAVIS. That, I do not remember. Mr. TAVENNER. Do you know whether he held any position within the Communist Party at that time? Mr. DAVIS. NO; I know only he was a delegate to the convention; that he also was a Communist." Mr. TAVENNER. Do you know whether he is the same person as Samuel Sillen who was or is affiliated with the Daily Worker at this time? Mr. DAVIS. I know him through the magazine Masses and Mainstream, of which he is an editor. Mr. VELDE. Is he an editor of Masses and Mainstream at present time, Mr. Davis? Mr. DAVIS. I think so; yes. Mr. TAVENNER. Now, can you recall the names of any other functionaries of the Communist Party or members of the Communist Party who were present at that caucus which was addressed by Jack Stachel Mr. DAVIS. Charles Mr. TAVENNER. In New York? Mr. DAVIS. Charles Hendley-H-e-n-d-l-e-y-was present. He was at that time head of the New York local of the American Federation of Teachers. Mr. TAVENNER. Do you recall what position he held at that time in the teaching profession? Mr. DAVIS. No; I don't. I assume he was a teacher in the New York public schools, but I am not certain. Mr. TAVENNER. Will you give us the names of others? Mr. DAVIS. I think Bella Dodd was present on that occasion. Mr. TAVENNER. Was Bella Dodd at that time one of the officers of the Teachers' Union? Mr. DAVIS. Yes; I think she was a legislative representative but that may have occurred later. Mr. TAVENNER. Did she later become a member of the National Committee of the Communist Party? Mr. DAVIS. I believe so. Mr. TAVENNER. And she has now withdrawn from the Communist Party? Mr. DAVIS. Yes. Mr. TAVENNER. And is very much opposed to it? Mr. DAVIS. Yes. Mr. TAVENNER. And is active in her opposition to it? Mr. DAVIS. Yes; she has testified in New York. Mr. TAVENNER. Was Katherine Lumpkin present at the meeting in New York? Mr. DAVIS. No. I met her at the-well, I have known her in many connections but she was present at the second convention I attended, I'm pretty sure at the time of the Russian-German pact, that is, the meeting of late August 1939. Mr. TAVENNER. Now, what meeting was that to which you refer? Mr. DAVIS. That was the convention of the national federation in Buffalo. Mr. TAVENNER. Did she hold any official position in the Teachers' Union? Mr. DAVIS. She was a delegate and has at times since then been secretary of the Smith College local. Mr. TAVENNER. Well, was she on the faculty of Smith College at that time? Mr. DAVIS. I don't know if she's ever been on the faculty; no. She has been a teacher in the past and, therefore, had a right to belong to the union, but she was not formally connected with Smith College. Mr. TAVENNER. She had never been employed at any time by Smith College, to your knowledge? Mr. DAVIS. Not to my knowledge; no. Mr. CLARDY. What was her first name, Counsel? Mr. TAVENNER. Katherine. Mr. DAVIS. Katherine. Mr. TAVENNER. The spelling is K-a-t-h-e-r-i-n-e, I believe. Mr. DAVIS. Yes. Mr. TAVENNER. Did she reside in that community, Northampton, though not attached in any way to the school? Mr. DAVIS. Did she resign, you said? Mr. TAVENNER. Reside. Mr. DAVIS. Yes; she resided in Northampton. Mr. TAVENNER. Were you acquainted with Dorothy W. Douglas? Mr. DAVIS. Yes. Mr. TAVENNER. What was the nature of your acquaintanceship with her? Mr. DAVIS. I've known her as a teacher at Smith, but I also knew her in the American Federation of Teachers before I came to Smith, and I knew her as a Communist in that federation, both through contact in caucuses in Massachusetts and also at the national convention. Mr. TAVENNER. Is she still affiliated with Smith College? Mr. CLARDY. Where is she now? Mr. DAVIS. She is residing, I believe, in Bryn Mawr, but is not connected with the college so far as I know. Mr. TAVENNER. Was she in attendance at the caucus held in New York City which was addressed by Jack Stachel? Mr. DAVIS. No. Mr. TAVENNER. Well, now, can you recall the names of any other persons who attended the caucus in New York City which was addressed by Jack Stachel? Mr. DAVIS. Not with the complete confidence we discussed this morning; no. Mr. TAVENNER. Will you advise the committee more fully as to the action that was taken at that caucus meeting? Mr. DAVIS. At that time, as I recall it, Stachel was in a conciliatory mood because of the requirements of the united front policy and wanted the Communist members to accept the leadership of the socalled Chicago group. Mr. CLARDY. The what? Mr. DAVIS. Of the Chicago group. The Chicago local was at that time considered to be far more conservative politically than the New York tendency and, for political reasons, to preserve the union of the federation, the members at that caucus were instructed not to fight the Chicago local, to permit it to carry out some, at least, of its policies. That's the best of my recollection after all these years. Mr. TAVENNER. Did you acquire information at that time as to what percentage of the membership of the Teachers' Union were members of the Communist Party? Mr. DAVIS. No. This was a very selective caucus. Mr. CLARDY. How many were present altogether? Mr. DAVIS. I should say about 20, but we weren't introduced to each other and, so, I can name only those whom I recognized from attendance at the conventions. Mr. TAVENNER. Now, let us return to the second of the national conventions which you attended and at which you said there was a caucus of the Communist Party members. Will you advise the committee what the result of the caucus was that was had? Mr. DAVIS. NO; I'm sorry to say I cannot because it was a matter of very complex union affairs and after this period of time I simply can't reconstruct it in any meaningful way. It was not a matter of broad national policy, but of factional controversies within the union. Mr. TAVENNER. Well, will you give us, please, the names of persons who attended that caucus and whose names you have not already given us? Mr. DAVIS. No; I don't remember any others. Again, we were not introduced to them, you see. They preserved the secrecy of names as much as possible. Mr. TAVENNER. You referred to your local at Harvard being a member of the district? Mr. DAVIS. Yes. Mr. TAVENNER. How many schools were represented in that district organization? Mr. DAVIS. Well, both the colleges and the public schools were included. A very large number were because there were public school locals in at least 8 or 10 of the local schools in Massachusetts. The college representation was much smaller, but I suppose at least 6 col |