COMMUNIST METHODS OF INFILTRATION (Education-Part 2) TUESDAY, APRIL 14, 1953 UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMITTEE ON UN-AMERICAN ACTIVITIES, Washington, D. C. PUBLIC HEARING The subcommittee of the Committee on Un-American Activities met, pursuant to call, at 10:45 a. m., in the caucus room, 362 Old House Office Building, Hon. Harold H. Velde (chairman), presiding. Committee members present: Representatives Harold H. Velde, Kit Clardy, Gordon H. Scherer, and Francis E. Walter. Staff members present: Robert L. Kunzig and Frank S. Tavenner, Jr., counsel; Louis J. Russell, chief investigator; Raphael I. Nixon, director of research; and Donald T. Appell, investigator. Mr. VELDE. The hearing will be in order. Let the record show that present are Mr. Clardy, Mr. Scherer, Mr. Walter, the chairman, Mr. Velde, and that I have appointed a subcommittee of the full committee consisting of the members present for the purposes of this hearing. Proceed, Mr. Counsel. Mr. KUNZIG. Will Daniel Fine please step forward? Would you stand and be sworn? Mr. VELDE. Will you raise your right hand? In the testimony you are about to give before this subcommittee, do you solemnly swear you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Dr. FINE. I do. Mr. KUNZIG. Are you represented by counsel? TESTIMONY OF DANIEL FINE, ACCOMPANIED BY HIS COUNSEL, MARSHALL PERLIN Dr. FINE. I am. Mr. KUNZIG. Would counsel please state his name and address for the record? Mr. PERLIN. The name is Marshall-M-a-r-s-h-a-1-1-PerlinP-e-r-l-i-n-104 East 40th, New York, N. Y. Mr. KUNZIG. Dr. Fine, would you please state your full name and present address? Dr. FINE. My name is Daniel Fine. I live at 721 Huntington Avenue, Boston, Mass. Mr. KUNZIG. Are you at the present time a medical doctor? Mr. KUNZIG. Physician. The correct name, then, is Dr. Daniel Fine; is that right? Mr. KUNZIG. Dr. Fine, when and where were you born? Dr. FINE. I attended grammar school and high school in New York City. In 1941 I entered Yale University, and in 1944 graduated from the Sheffield Scientific School with a bachelor of science, with honors. During attendance at Yale University I was elected to Sigma Xi, which is an honorary scholastic scientific fraternity. Thereafter, after a lapse of 2 years, in 1946, I entered the Yale School of Medicine. During my time at the Yale School of Medicine I was elected to Alpha Omega Alpha, which is an honorary scholastic fraternity of medical students, and, in addition to that, during my third year I received the Ramsey Memorial Scholarship prize, which is given for a student after his first year of clinical medicine-for a student of unquestioned ability and character. Mr. PERLIN. Excuse me just a minute. I would appreciate, Mr. Chairman, if there were no flash bulbs during the testimony. It bothers the witnesses and he asked me not to have them. Mr. VELDE. Yes. Will the Mr. PERLIN. So, I would like to have them desist during the testimony. Mr. VELDE (addressing news photographers). Will you please take your pictures now and desist? Dr. FINE. I was saying that in 1950 I was graduated with the degree of M. D. from the Yale School of Medicine. Since that time I have been in training at the Boston Hospital, first as a house officer, second year as a junior assistant resident in medicine, and during my third year, present year, as a senior assistant resident in medicine. Mr. KUNZIG. What is the name of that Boston hospital? Dr. FINE. Peter Bent Brigham Hospital. Mr. KUNZIG. Dr. Fine, is that the conclusion of the educational background? Would you then set forth such as may have been your employment background up to the present time? Were you studying during the entire time or were you employed at various times, in addition Dr. FINE. Well, technically, during hospital training one is employed by the hospital to give service to patients in the hospital. Mr. KUNZIG. Is there any other employment? Did you work at any other place while studying or anything of that nature? Dr. FINE. In 1942-I believe it was the summer-I worked for about 2 months at the Calco Chemical Co. Mr. KUNZIG. Would you spell that for the reporter? Dr. FINE. C-a-l-c-o Chemical Co., producing sulfa drugs for the servicemen who were overseas at the time. Mr. KUNZIG. I see. Any other part-time employment? Dr. FINE. Not that I recall. Mr. KUNZIG. Would you state your military service, if there was any? Dr. FINE. In 1944, of July, I entered the Navy as an apprentice seaman. I attended recruit training at Sampson, N. Y., and thereafter I was selected to attend midshipmen's school, which I attended at Notre Dame University, for about 4 months, the last part of 1944 and the first part of 1945. I might say that while there I received a prize for the first rank in the class in damage control, which was one of the courses there. Thereafter I attended line officers' school, tactical radar school, fighters' direction school in Florida and down at St. Simons, down in Georgia, and in September 1945 I was ordered to a destroyer, the U. S. S. Laffey, 724, and I boarded the Laffey in Hawaii. Thereafter I was on sea duty for about 8 or 9 months and subsequent from that I was separated from my ship and about 2 months later, in 1946, July, I was separated from active duty in the Navy. Mr. KUNZIG. Would you list any organizations or clubs in which you hold membership or may have held membership while you were at college or in medical school? Dr. FINE. Might I ask what the pertinence of that question is? That seems to be an all-inclusive question, and I don't quite see the relevance to this inquiry. Mr. KUNZIG. Mr. Chairman, I ask that the witness be directed to answer the question. Mr. PERLIN. Mr. Chairman, may I Mr. VELDE. Well, just Mr. PERLIN. Excuse me. Mr. VELDE. Just a minute. I think you have been advised of the Mr. VELDE. I think you have been advised of the rights you have to confer with your client, haven't you? Mr. PERLIN. That is right. I was just wondering whether, to facilitate this-I was just going to make a suggestion for your consideration. If you don't want me to, I will hold back the suggestion. Mr. VELDE. Go ahead and make your suggestion. Mr. PERLIN. I was going to suggest that perhaps it would facilitate it, rather than ask such a broad question, if the questions may be more specific in character. Mr. VELDE. Yes, Mr. Counsel, make your questions more specific. Mr. KUNZIG. All right, Mr. Chairman. Have you ever participated in the activities of a Marxist study group, either as a member or an attendant at Marxist lectures. Dr. FINE. Is that directed to the chairman? Mr. KUNZIG. No; it is directed to you. Dr. FINE. Will you repeat the question, please? Mr. KUNZIG. Have you ever participated in the activities of a Marxist study group, either as a member of or as an attendant at Marxist lectures? Dr. FINE. Mr. Chairman, I would like to decline to answer that question, and I would like to decline to answer that question for the following reasons-and I would like to state them in full for the benefit of the committee and for anyone else: In the first place, I decline to answer that question because it is offensive to the Bill of Rights, as I understand it, as I learned in my schooling in New York City and later in my college training. In particular, it is offensive to the first amendment to the Constitution, which guarantees to every citizen the right of freedom of speech, of freedom of assembly, and of freedom of the press; and I would like to say there that this is a freedom which is meaningful and has been extremely meaningful to all Americans insofar as there has not been coercion attached to expressing one's personal views, matters of the heart Mr. VELDE. The committee Dr. FINE. Or matters of the mind. Mr. VELDE (continuing). Has granted you the privilege Dr. FINE. I would like to go on, Mr. Chairman, if I may, to complete the answer to that question. This is a meaningful right insofar as there Mr. CLARDY. Mr. Chairman, may I interrupt a moment? Dr. FINE. Is no coercion. Mr. CLARDY. Mr. Chairman, may I interrupt? Mr. VELDE. Mr. Clardy. Mr. CLARDY. The witness is not answering the question. He can state precisely and concisely whether he is relying on the fifth amendment or not, and beyond that he should not be permitted to argue. I request the Chair to so direct him. Mr. VELDE. Yes. You have been given an opportunity to answer a question which is very simple as to your association or as to your membership in various organizations. Dr. FINE. Mr. Chairman, I am answering that question, and I am answering that question to the best of my ability. Mr. VELDE. You may Dr. FINE. I would like to state the grounds for my refusal to answer that question, and I think it is an intrusion on my rights before this committee to prevent me from stating my reasons in full. Mr. VELDE. Now, we have heard all of these things before many, many times. Dr. FINE. I would still Mr. VELDE. The question is very simple. It is very easily understood. Dr. FINE. I have stated, Mr. Chairman Mr. VELDE. The question was whether you belonged to a Marxist group, a study group. You can answer that either "Yes" or "No," or you can refuse to answer it. Dr. FINE. I am not refusing, Mr. Chairman. Mr. VELDE. Now, I am asking you to do that at the present time Mr. VELDE (continuing). Because we must get on with these hearings. Dr. FINE. I am declining to answer that question, and I am stating my ground, and I would like to have the opportunity, the courtesy of this committee, to state my grounds in full. Mr. VELDE. You have been given every courtesy by the committee. |