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Let's see about this general from New York. We want to accommodate him when he gets here.
Senator THURMOND. Is he here now?
Senator STENNIS. No, I don't think he is here. We expect him about 3. Let's announce to the next witness that there is a general coming down from New York. We may have to interrupt your testimony, Colonel.
Come around, Colonel. We want you to understand we are not subordinating your testimony, but this is necessary to meet his situation, in that he couldn't be here tomorrow.
Senator STENNIS. All right, pass it over to Senator Thurmond and Senator Bartlett.
(The biographical sketch of Colonel Wagasky follows:) BIOGRAPHY OF Lt. Col. SYLVESTER J. WAGASKY, U.S. AIR FORCE, DIRECTOR OF IN
TELLIGENCE, HEADQUARTERS CONTINENTAL AIR COMMAND, ROBINS AIR FORCE BASE, GA.
Colonel Wagasky was born in Charles City, Iowa, on March 19, 1918. He enlisted in the military service on March 11, 1942, and has remained on continuous active duty. He is presently assigned as Director of Intelligence, Headquarters Continental Air Command, Robins Air Force Base, Ga.
Prior to his present assignment, he ved in the intelligence field at various levels of command, both in this country and Japan.
Colonel Wagasky graduated from the Special Agent Counterintelligence Corps School, Fort Holabird, Md., in 1946. Additionally, he possesses a baccalaureate degree in business administration from Fenn College, Cleveland, Ohio. He graduated from Air Command and Staff School in 1956.
Colonel Wagasky, his wife, and six children presently reside at Robins Air Force Base, Ga.
Senator STENNIS. As I understand it, you do not have a prepared statement.
Colonel WAGASKY. No, sir; I do not.
Senator STENNIS. That is not necessary. You will be sworn now, please.
Do you solemnly swear that your testimony here before this subcommittee will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Colonel WAGASKY. I do, sir. Senator STENNIS. All right, have a seat. This is Colonel Wagasky. Whom are you with ?
TESTIMONY OF LT. COL. SYLVESTER L. WAGASKY, U.S. AIR FORCE,
DIRECTOR OF INTELLIGENCE, HEADQUARTERS CONTINENTAL
Senator STENNIS. All right, I like to know where a man is stationed and what he is doing right now. Where are you stationed now?
Colonel WAGASKY. I am the Director of Intelligence, Continental Air Command, Robins Air Force Base, just south of Macon.
Senator STENNIS. All right, sir. We are glad to have you here.
PUBLICATION AND USE OF AIR INTELLIGENCE TRAINING BULLETIN
Mr. KENDALL. I understand a very fine Intelligence magazine is published by the Continental Air Command. What is the title of That?
Colonel WAGASKY. Air Intelligence Training Bulletin.
Mr. KENDALL. Can you tell us what part you have in publishing that magazine?
Colonel Wagasky. Yes, sir. My office publishes and is responsible for this magazine.
Mr. KENDALL. Is it unclassified ?
Mr. KENDALL. Is the information contained in that publication used by the Information people in the troop information and education program.
Colonel WAGASKY. Yes, sir.
Mr. KENDALL. What is the system which exists whereby the Information Office can use the appropriate articles from your publication?
Colonel WAGASKY. It is distributed to the Continental Air Command's units and the individual Information officers use it in their commander and troop briefings.
Mr. KENDALL. It is available to them?
UTILIZATION OF INTELLIGENCE SERVICES IN TROOP INFORMATION PROGRAM
Mr. KENDALL. Do you think that in actual practice a better utilization can be made of the channels of communication between Intelligence and the education people ?
Colonel WAGASKY. That is a difficult statement to answer, sir. We are available. We are the Intelligence experts in the field, so to speak, and we are there at all times. We have close cooperation with the Information officer in Continental Air Command in my 2 years' experience there.
Mr. KENDALL. During these hearings there has been considerable discussion of the possible advantages of placing troop I. & E. functions under Intelligence. In your opinion, what is the merit of that suggestion and would it be workable ?
Colonel WAGASKY. Sir, I do not think it is a question of whether it should be under Intelligence or any other shop. I think it is a question of the job being done and being done well, and then the experience, the guidance, the input that Intelligence can put into this program is always there. It is not a question of who should be doing it. It should be done and done well.
Mr. KENDALL. And the information available from Intelligence should be utilized ?
Colonel WAGASKY. Yes, sir.
Mr. KENDALL. Can you make any suggestions as to how Intelligence could take a more active part in the troop information function?
Colonel WAGASKY. Inasmuch as the primary responsibility is not ours, I cannot give you any concrete examples of how this should be done. The
responsibility is of the I. & E. program, the Information people, the Training people. We are there to be utilized.
Mr. KENDALL. How could they make a greater utilization of the Intelligence information and the Intelligence services is the question, Colonel.
Colonel WAGASKY. Just to use it more, sir.
COMMENTS ON STATEMENT BY CARTER CONCERNING SPEAKERS ON
Mr. KENDALL. Assuming, Colonel-I am not sure that I know your answer—that you believe that the Information office is adequately conducting the troop information program, we have reports that a Colonel Carter, who is an Information officer in your headquarters, made a statement to the effect that his headquarters had not been requested by the public to provide speakers on communism. And if such a request was received, he would recommend against it because of the indicated controversies.
How would you explain that statement?
Colonel WAGASKY. Sir, I cannot explain Colonel Carter's statement except that I am available as the intelligence officer in the command, and he has called on me at times to give speeches, to give briefings, both publicly, troop information, and to CONAC staff.
Mr. KENDALL. And you have no explanation for that statement ? Colonel WAGASKY. No, sir, I do not.
WHETHER FILM"COMMUNIST POLITICAL INDOCTRINATION TECHNIQUES"
SHOULD BE DECLASSIFIED
Mr. KENDALL. Now in the course of your intelligence activities, Colonel, or during any other programs, have you had the opportunity to see any anti-Communist training films?
Colonel WAGASKY. Yes, sir, I have.
Mr. KENDALL. One film that has come to the attention of the subcommittee is entitled "Communist Political Indoctrination Techniques," and several witnesses have told us that this is a very excellent anti-Communist training film. Have
you seen that film? Colonel WAGASKY. To the best of my recollection, sir, I have seen that film, but it is not very vivid at this time.
Mr. KENDALL. I believe that film has a classification of "confidential,” which of course restricts its use and showing.
As an intelligence officer, do you see any reason why that security classification should not be removed so that the film could be given wider usage and showing?
Colonel WAGASKY. I would have to review the film once again to give you an answer to that, sir. I have no idea of the full content of the movie to give you an answer to why it is classified "confidential.”
EVALUATION OF FILM “RUSSIA”
Mr. KENDALL. Have you seen the training film, “Russia”?
Colonel WAGASKY. Yes, sir. Is that the one with the hordes going up and down the stairs ?
Mr. KENDALL. This is sort of a travelog type film.
Mr. KENDALL. What is your evaluation of that film as a troop training aid?
Colonel Wagasky. I think you put the words in my mouth there by saying it is a travelog. I agree with you wholeheartedly that to the best of my recollection it was a lukewarm type of a presentation.
Mr. KENDALL. And you would not classify it as a hard-hitting antiCommunist film, would you?
Colonel Wagásky. To the best of my recollection, no, sir, I would not.
EVALUATION OF OPERATION ABOLITION" Mr. KENDALL. Have you seen "Operation Abolition"? Colonel WAGASKY. Yes, sir, I have. Mr. KENDALL. How would you classify that as a troop training aid?
Colonel WAGASKY. My personal opinion is that it is an excellent film, sir.
Mr. KENDALL. Do you think it should be used in the troop information program?
Colonel WAGASKY. That would be my personal opinion, sir, yes, sir.
NEED FOR COURSE IN COUNTERINSURGENCY
Mr. KENDALL. Colonel, previous witnesses have discussed with us the need for a new course of training for Air Force personnel, and I believe they termed it counterinsurgency training,
As an intelligence officer, in your opinion what benefits would result from that type training course? Are you familiar with this?
Colonel WAGASKY. I am familiar that there is a 2 weeks' course that is starting at Maxwell Air Force Base, and that to reorient our thinking in this new line of counterinsurgency definitely we do need a course for this.
Inasmuch as the next episode, be it a small war or big war is a question, and counterinsurgency covers the former of these two, it is important that we have indoctrination in this area. Mr. KENDALL. How
long did you say that course is? Colonel WAGASKY. Two weeks, to my knowledge. In fact, I am scheduled to go to it within the next 4 weeks, sir.
Mr. KENDALL. And you don't know the details of it at this time?
Colonel WAGASKY. No, sir, and I understand it is the first course. I imagine it is unconventional and antiguerrilla in aspect.
QUESTION OF NEWSPAPER REPORTS ABOUT CLASSIFIED MATTERS
Mr. KENDALL. A matter came up this morning, Colonel, which has always troubled me somewhat, and I have had some experience with it, and that is newspaper reports about matters which are officially classified for security reasons.
How do these things come about?
Colonel WAGASKY. I can best explain that by my 31/2 years in CIA. I go home of a date and read in the Saturday Evening Post an exposé of a certain area of CIA. Evidently the writer was able to glean, piece together information and make this piece, and it is unclassified and unofficial.
Parts of these things were officially true. Other parts were not. Newspaper information is not official. At the same time they could go along the same track, one track unclassified and one classified, and a classified piece has an official stamp on it.
Mr. KENDALL. What effect would a newspaper report like that, which is not authorized and possibly should not have been printed, have upon
the official security classification ? Colonel Wagasky. It would have to be reviewed, and depending on the import and the seriousness of the matter, taken into consideration, and the classifying authority touched base with and reviewed.
Mr. KENDALL. But it would take some further action by the classification authority before that would be accomplished ?
Colonel WAGASKY. Yes, sir.
WAGASKY SEMINAR PARTICIPATION Senator THURMOND. Colonel, your outstanding activities as the Director of Intelligence at the Continental Air Command came to my attention recently following the visit of one of our staff members to your headquarters. The report concerning your program spoke in highly complimentary terms of your efforts to further intelligence training in the Air Force units and Reserve organizations stationed in the continental limits of the United States.
Colonel, I understand that in 1959 you were concerned with the participation of the Air Force in 1st Army seminars dealing with the cold war threat of communism.
Could you please tell us of your functions in regard to these programs?
Colonel WAGASKY. Yes, sir. The date 1959 is erroneous. It is 1961. I participated as a student in a strategic seminar when I was stationed at Mitchel Field. The seminar was in February and March of 1961, 2-hour periods for a period of 6 weeks.
The program consisted of professional speakers on their individual specialties on the Communist threat, and they covered the whole gamut of economics, geopolitics, U.S. foreign policy and so forth. This session of seminars that I attended was excellent, professionally done and top drawer.
Senator THURMOND. Now did the Air Force Continental Air Command actually participate in these Army-sponsored programs by sending students and lecturers ? Did they?
Colonel WAGASKY. This is not correct, sir, only inasmuch as I went to represent the Continental Air Command during that one seminar period.
Senator THURMOND. You were the only representative?
Senator THURMOND. Did you attend the cold war seminar at 1st Army and the Town Hall seminar?
Colonel WAGASKY. I only attended the one at Town Hall during February and March 1961.
Senator THURMOND. That is the only one you attended ?