there, the better known it is that the John F. Kennedy Memorial Hospital was contributed by the United States, the easier it would be for them to know we are there.

Mr. FALK. I would agree with that, sir.

Mr. PASSMAN. Furnish for the record a table showing the rate of entry of refugees into Hong Kong from Red China since calendar year 1961.

(The information follows:)

of refugees 22,000 208, 500 20, 500 18,000 18, 500

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Mr. PASSMAN. I notice your statement toward the bottom of that these funds are channeled into projects readily identifiable to the general public of Hong Kong as American contributions. Did I read your statement correctly?

Mr. HEYMANN. That is correct, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. PASSMAN. In my home community of Washington Parish, there are about 850 Passmans. If you were to build a Passman Library there as a memorial to me, there would be no way to know it was in honor of Otto E. without putting my full name on the building, would you?

Mr. FALK. Yes.

Mr. PASSMAN. I believe that Hong Kong is known as a free port where all nations, including the Communists, can freely go in and out? Mr. FALK. I believe that is correct, sir.

VALUE OF HONG KONG TO BRITAIN AND RED CHINA

Mr. PASSMAN. By having Hong Kong, it is a tremendous advantage to Communist China, is it not? It is not generally accepted that that is one reason they tolerate the British staying there is because it is a tremendous advantage to them in the way of being able to trade with the other countries and to move freely in and out of the port of Hong Kong?

Mr. HEYMANN. They certainly obtain advantages from it, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. PASSMAN. Substantial advantages, would you say?

Mr. HEYMANN. Substantial.

Mr. PASSMAN. And Hong Kong is, more or less, would you say, a mecca for tourists. It derives doubtless hundreds of millions of dollars annually by having tourists shopping there; would that be a statement of fact?

Mr. HEYMANN. That is generally true.

Mr. PASSMAN. I believe as a usual thing American military personnel are usually quite free with their spending, are they not? Mr. HEYMANN. Yes, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. PASSMAN. It would certainly be advantageous to the British Crown Colony and those indirectly connected to the colony to have

more and more American tourists and more and more of our military personnel visiting there to spend dollars. Would you accept that as a statement of fact?

Mr. HEYMANN. Yes, Mr. Chairman. It has the compensating disadvantage of increasing the pressure

Mr. PASSMAN. I am just talking about the advantages.

Mr. HEYMANN. Certainly that is an advantage.

Mr. PASSMAN. A substantial advantage?

Mr. HEYMANN. A substantial advantage.

Mr. PASSMAN. If you stopped our military personnel from going into Hong Kong and also stopped American tourists, then it would certainly reduce the amount of cash that flows into Hong Kong, would it not?

Mr. HEYMANN. It would, substantially.

Mr. PASSMAN. You don't usually, in your sober moments, cut off the hand that is feeding you, do you?

Mr. HEYMANN. You do not.

NAMING OF JOHN F. KENNEDY MEMORIAL HOSPITAL

Mr. PASSMAN. I wouldn't want to read into your statement or into the supplemental information relative to the John F. Kennedy Spastic Children's Centre in Hong Hong, but when we were discussing omitting the name "John F." on account of the name being too long-I believe we can establish for the record that the Richard M. Nixon Library-and taxpayers of the United States did contribute to it-which was so named to honor one of our greatest former Vice Presidents—it seems there is just one more letter in the name, Richard M. Nixon, than there is in the name, John F. Kennedy. There hasn't been any suggestion that we remove the "Richard M." from the name of that library, has there?

Mr. HEYMANN. We were not, of course, setting forth the length of the name as a reason

Mr. PASSMAN. I know, but you did set forth that point and I am trying to help you refute that false propaganda once and forever. I think I have made a correct statement, have I not, that there is one letter less in John F. Kennedy than there would be in Richard M. Nixon? Let the record show I am for the Richard M. Nixon Library because he was a great American and I think one of the greatest Vice Presidents that we ever had. I served with him in Congress and I call him my personal friend.

The record is going to indicate, however, that we are trading out with the Governor of the British Crown Colony, Mr. Trench. As I understand it, Governor Trench was in favor of the memorial hospital being named on the outside-and that is the part of it the public sees the Kennedy Memorial Hospital. Is that their wish?

Mr. HEYMANN. Their wish is that it be named the Kennedy Memorial Hospital.

Mr. PASSMAN. We are dealing with humanity here when we are dealing with a hospital, are we not?

Mr. HEYMANN. We are.

Mr. PASSMAN. Inasmuch as it was the American taxpayer who put up the money to build the John F. Kennedy Spastic Children's Centre in Hong Kong, the American people would like to have it directly

identified as such. Would you concur with me and the committee, since we are unanimous in our thinking on that score, that if you limit the name to the Kennedy Memorial Hospital, that it is very likely that those who see this hospital will think of it in terms of a memorial to the former Governor of the Crown Colony? Am I assuming too much to suspect that is the way they feel?

Mr. HEYMANN. Mr. Chairman, I would think that would depend very much on the physical circumstances. I have not seen it. I would think it would depend on the prominence of the plaque, the existence of pictures, statues

Mr. PASSMAN. You know where they usually put these cornerstones, don't you?

Mr. HEYMANN. Where is that, Mr. Chairman?

Mr. PASSMANN. I say, you usually know where they usually put them?

Mr. HEYMANN. On the corner of the building?

Mr. PASSMAN. Where you can't find them.

Mrs. HANSEN. Isn't the name going to be over the hospital?

Mr. PASSMAN. That is understood.

Mrs. HANSEN. Customarily names are over hospitals.

Mr. PASSMAN. It is also going to be over this hospital. It is going to be the Kennedy Hospital if they have their way. The point is, they want to drop the "John F." part of the name.

Mrs. HANSEN. They have plenty of space over the building? Mr. PASSMAN. Certainly they have. They could put "Junior" after the end of it and still have plenty of space.

STATUS OF CONSTRUCTION OF JOHN F. KENNEDY HOSPITAL

I wonder if you would just do this, sir? Just wire the Consul General and ascertain the present status of construction of the hospital and how much money has thus far been expended?

(The information follows:)

STATUS OF PROGRESS ON THE SPASTIC CHILDREN'S CENTRE

Actual construction of the Spastic Children's Centre began on March 21, 1966, Prior to that date, the efforts of the World Rehabilitation Fund on this project had been devoted to negotiations with the Hong Kong Colonial Government on the details and location of the project, procurement of the land, site clearance, preparation of detailed working drawings, and obtaining necessary Hong Kong Government clearances of the plans. The cornerstone was laid by Congressman Otto E. Passman in November 1965. Of a total approximate cost of $500,000, approximately $42,000 had been expended as of February 28, 1966. These costs have been for architectural services, training of technical personnel, and executive planning and supervision. Now that construction has started, progress should be much more evident and the Centre is scheduled for completion in January 1967.

NAME OF SPASTIC CHILDREN'S CENTRE, HONG KONG

The Department subsequently informed the Committee that agreement had been reached with Hong Kong authorities that "John F." would be included in the name of the Kennedy Spastic Children's Centre.

AMOUNT OF PUBLIC LAW 480 COMMODITIES UTILIZED IN HONG KONG

Mr. PASSMAN. How much Public Law 480 commodities were utilized in Hong Kong and Macao, Mr. Secretary?

Mr. HEYMANN. Mr. Falk has those figures, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. FALK. Mr. Chairman, are you interested in these figures in connection with Public Law 480? Do you want them now or would you prefer to have them submitted?

Mr. PASSMAN. You can give them to us now.

Mr. FALK. The figure for 1965 for Public Law 480 commodities for Hong Kong and Macao is $3,013,000. The figure projected for 1966 is $2,357,000.

Now, this is based on Commodity Credit Corporation costs and including transportation costs.

SHIPMENT OF CANADIAN WHEAT TO HONG KONG

Mr. SHRIVER. The question was asked about the Canadian wheat going from Vancouver through Hong Kong.

Mrs. HANSEN. If the chairman doesn't mind, I would like to have that figure.

Mr. PASSMAN. We will be sure we get it. I think that is important. Mr. SOBOTKA. Canadian wheat going to Hong Kong or Red China? Mrs. HANSEN. How much is going from the Port of Vancouver, British Columbia, to Hong Kong, and after it arrives in Hong Kong, where does it go?

Mr. PASSMAN. Give us a breakdown between the two places, Macao and Hong Kong.

Mr. FALK. We will provide that for the record, sir. (The information follows:)

WHEAT TRANSPORT TO HONG KONG AND MACAO

In 1965, Hong Kong imported 24,186 long tons of unmilled wheat from Canada. Nearly all of this wheat is believed loaded at Canada's three west coast ports, Vancouver, Victoria, and Prince Rupert. Hong Kong mills process some of this wheat for local consumption. Some of it is then re-exported to third countries, but none of it is shipped to communist China. (All Canadian wheat destined for mainland China is unloaded at mainland Chinese ports.) In 1965, Hong Kong re-exported 10,578 tons of unmilled wheat imported from various sources including Canada to Malaya, Singapore, Thailand and Macau, in that order of importance. Hong Kong also exported 12,156 tons of wheat flour ground in its own mills to eighteen countries.

There is no direct traffic in wheat between Canada and Macau, since Macan is not a deep-water port and ocean-going freighters do not unload there.

NOODLE FACTORIES

Mr. PASSMAN. Congressman Shriver, if he ever gets out of here, may wind up operating a noodle factory. When we were in Hong Kong last fall I never saw a man inspect so closely the noodle factories.

You do have several noodles factories in Hong Kong, do you not? Mr. FALK. In Macao also.

Mr. PASSMAN. Macao and Hong Kong?

Mr. FALK. Yes, sir.

Mr. PASSMAN. And the wheat or flour that goes into those noodle factories is given to them through Public Law 480?

Mr. FALK. That is correct.

Mrs. HANSEN. Where do the noodles go?

Mr. PASSMAN. It goes to the poor people there, to the refugees.
Mr. FALK. That is correct.

PACKAGING OF NOODLES TO INDICATE CONTRIBUTION

FROM UNITED STATES

Mr. PASSMAN. I know when you get to Mr. Shriver he will ask a lot of questions on this, but he may forget this one question: Are these noodles packaged to show they are from American contributions? Mr. FALK. They are sometimes. Unfortunately they are not always packaged in the way we would like to see them packaged.

Mr. PASSMAN. The recipients wouldn't be able to read if it is in English anyway, would they?

Mr. FALK. There are some bags in which they have the name printed on in Chinese so they can read it, but I think you pointed out there is a constant problem we have in this area and that is to see that they do get packaged and identified as coming from the United States.

Mr. PASSMAN. I have been out there and we have read signs which would indicate the United States did not have too much to do with it. I think the Baptists are indicated as giving a lot of it, and perhaps some other groups. I have nothing but admiration for them if they can get by with it. More power to them. We have been trying to get that identification problem cleaned up for many years.

You have to use your imagination to know it was coming from the U.S. Government. You would think the Baptists were giving it.

Now, what would be wrong, inasmuch as we are furnishing the money, to buy the flour to make the noodles, in having a sign by these noodle factories indicating that these noodles are being given by your friends in the United States, and have it written in Chinese? Or have something up there to identify it as a U.S. gift?

Mr. FALK. Nothing would be wrong with that.

RECOGNITION OF AMERICAN CONTRIBUTION TO VARIOUS OVERSEA PROJECTS

Mr. SHRIVER. One of the few places where I did see any recognition of the generosity of the American people was at the Bishop Ford Foundation for refugees in Hong Kong. There was a huge sign. I don't recall whether it was in both Chinese and English, but it said that the commodities used in the making of the noodles came from the American people, which I think is good.

Let me say this while we are talking about this, that I have heard. many, many criticisms and so has every member of Congress, of our foreign spending program, our foreign aid program. This is part of foreign aid.

One of the first things people mention, and particularly those who have been overseas, is that people do not in many instances realize from whence this comes. These are criticisms that we, as Members of Congress, hear constantly. Yet there were so very few instances where it appeared to me there was an opportunity for the peoplenot the government-to know where these commodities were coming from. That is not all for political reasons, but that we are humanitarians too. To me this is important and it is to many, many people in our country.

Mr. PASSMAN. I certainly concur with you, Mr. Shriver.

Of course, we are giving away over $8 billion a year now if you put together all segments of foreign aid. A little over $7 billion last year, not including the interest. This year so far the request