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(H.A.S.C. No. 99-53]

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REORGANIZATION OF THE
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

INVESTIGATIONS SUBCOMMITTEE

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-NINTH CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

HEARINGS HELD

FEBRUARY 19, 20, 24, 25, 26, 27; MARCH 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 1986

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

62-630

WASHINGTON : 1987

For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office

Washington, DC 20402

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BILL NICHOLS, Alabama, Chairman BEVERLY B. BYRON, Maryland

LARRY J. HOPKINS, Kentucky NICHOLAS MAVROULES, Massachusetts BOB STUMP, Arizona DAVE MCCURDY, Oklahoma

JOHN R. KASICH, Ohio JOHN M. SPRATT, JR., South Carolina LYNN MARTIN, Illinois FRANK MCCLOSKEY, Indiana

WILLIAM CARNEY, New York
LES ASPIN, Wisconsin
SAMUEL S. STRATTON, New York

JOHN F. LALLY, Counsel
ARCHIE D. BARRETT, Professional Staff Member

LEAH CHAPLA, Staff Assistant
LAWRENCE E. ADAMS, Fellow
C. KENNETH ALLARD, Fellow

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CONTENTS

Statement.....

Prepared statement

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436

(III)

Page Finley, Harry R., Associate Director, National Security and International Affairs Division, General Accounting Office..

609 Gabriel, Gen. Charles A., Chief of Staff, U.S. Air Force: Statement.......

119 Prepared statement

123 Galvin, Gen. John R., Commander in Chief, U.S. Southern Command: Statement.......

858 Prepared statement

858 Goodpaster, Gen. Andrew J., U.S. Army (retired), former Commander in Chief, U.S. European Command: Statement.....

297 Prepared statement

302 Gorman, Gen. Paul F., U.S. Army (retired), member, President's Blue Ribbon

Commission on Defense Management; and former Commander in Chief,
U.S. Southern Command.

457
Grinstead, Vice Adm. Eugene, U.S. Navy (retired), former Director, Defense
Logistics Agency:
Statement......

403 Prepared statement

406 Hansen, Vice Adm. Thor, U.S. Navy (retired), former Director, Joint Staff....... 167 Herres, Gen. Robert T., U.S. Air Force, Commander in Chief, U.S. Aerospace Defense Command and U.S. Space Command: Statement........

801 Prepared statement

812 Holloway, Adm. James L., U.S. Navy (retired), member, President's Blue

Ribbon Commission on Defense Management; and former Chief of Naval
Operations

457 Jones, Gen. David C., U.S. Air Force (retired), former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; and former Chief of Staff of the Air Force...........

533 Kelley, Gen. P.X., Commandant, U.S. Marine Corps...

129 Kester, John G., former Special Assistant to the former Secretary of Defense: Statement....

731 Prepared statement

738 Komer, Hon. Robert, former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy

195 Korb, Hon. Lawrence J., Vice President, Corporate Operations, Raytheon Co.;

and former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Manpower, Reserve Affairs
and Logistics:
Statement...

267 Prepared statement

270 Latham, Hon. Donald C., Assistant Secretary of Defense for Command, Control, Communications and Intelligence: Statement......

177 Prepared statement

178 Lehman, Hon. John, Secretary of the Navy: Statement.....

40 Prepared statement

47 Luttwak, Edward N., author, “The Pentagon and the Art of War”

203 Mahaffey, Gen. Fred K., U.S. Army, Commander in Chief, U.S. Readiness Command.

790 Marsh, Hon. John O., Jr., Secretary of the Army: Statement.....

32 Prepared statement

36 McLucas, Hon. John, former Secretary of the Air Force..

415 Meyer, Gen. E.C., U.S. Army (retired), former Chief of Staff, U.S. Army

307 Moorer, Adm. Thomas H., U.S. Navy (retired), former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff: Statement...

363 Prepared statement

369 Nichols, Hon. Bill, a Representative from Alabama, Chairman, Investigations Subcommittee.....

1, 95, 157, 195, 237, 283, 316, 363, 453, 533, 544, 597, 767, 780, 801, 833 Letter from Chairman Bill Nichols to Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger announcing hearings on Department of Defense Reorganization..

92 Defense Logistics Agency Overview.....

866 Odeen, Philip A., chairman, Georgetown University Center for Strategic and International Studies, Defense Organization Project: Statement.......

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457

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Odeen, Philip A., chairman, Georgetown University Center for Strategic and
International Studies, Defense Organization Project-Continued

Prepared statement.
Oettinger, Anthony G., Professor, Harvard University:

Statement...

Prepared statement
Packard, Hon. David, Chairman, President's Blue Ribbon Commission on
Defense Management; and former Deputy Secretary of Defense:

Statement.....

Prepared statement
Peters, Dr. Tom, author of "In Search of Excellence" and "Passion for Excel-

lence".
Pirie, Hon. Robin, former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Manpower, Re-

serve Affairs and Logistics; and Vice President of the Institute for Defense

Analysis......
Powers, Lt. Gen. Winston, U.S. Air Force, Director of Defense Communica-

tions Agency, Department of Defense ....
Richardson, Hon. Elliot L., former Secretary of Defense.
Rogers, Gen. Bernard, Commander in Chief, U.S. European Command.

CINCEUR's View of Actions Required for ODS/JCS Reorganization
Rosenberg, Maj. Gen. Robert A., U.S. Air Force, Director, Defense Mapping

Agency: Prepared statement...
Rourke, Hon. Russell A., Secretary of the Air Force:

Statement......

Prepared statement
Scowcroft, Gen. Brent, U.S. Air Force (retired), member, President's Blue

Ribbon Commission on Defense Management; and former Special Assistant
to the President for National Security Affairs.....
Taft, Hon. William H., IV, Deputy Secretary of Defense:

Statement......

Prepared statement
Train, Adm. Harry D., U.S. Navy (retired), former Commander in Chief, U.S.

Atlantic Command..
Vessey, Gen. John W., Jr., U.S. Army (retired), former chairman, Joint iefs

of Staff.
Vogt, Gen. John, U.S. Air Force (retired), former Commander, U.S. Air

Forces, Europe, and former Commander Allied Air Forces, Europe
Wade, Hon. James P., Jr., Assistant Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and
Logistics:

Statement......

Prepared statement
Watkins, Adm. James, Chief of Naval Operations, Joint Chiefs of Staff:

Statement........

Prepared statement
Welch, Gen. Larry D., Commander in Chief, Strategic Air Command and
Director, Joint Strategic Target Planning Staff:

Statement.....

Prepared statement
Wickham, Gen. John A., Jr., Chief of Staff, U.S. Army:

Statement.......

Prepared statement
Woolsey, Hon. James, member, President's Blue Ribbon Commission on De-
fense Management; and former Under Secretary of the Navy...

APPENDICES
H.R. 4234, to amend title 10, United States Code, to improve the capability of

the Armed Forces to carry out assigned missions by providing greater
authority to the commanders of the unified and specified combatant com-

mands to carry out their assigned responsibilities, and for other purposes... H.R. 4235, to amend title 10, United States Code, to establish military officer

personnel policies that promote and encourage improved performance of joint functions ....... H.R. 4236, to revise, reform, and standardize the organization of the executive

part of the military departments, and for other purposes ....

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