A. Yes, of course. Q. Where did he get his opinions from? A. The Fuehrer tells in his book "Mein Kampf" that he mentioned a man by the name of-I believe his name was Luegel, and also another man by the name of Soureil. He says his anti-Semitic views stem from that time. Q. In your opinion, were not the Nurnberg laws a crystallization of the beliefs that you had been teaching in Germany? A. The Fuehrer did not tolerate any influences in matters of an ideological nature. You could not counsel him in such things.. Q. No, but you had been teaching, and writing articles on the question of blood and race. A. I wrote those things already before I made the acquaintance of the Fuehrer. Q. Yes, and before the enactment of the Nurnberg laws. Q. How many years? A. I made my first speech in November of 1918, when I returned from the front. Q. The first time you met Hitler you claimed that you had a following larger than his, is that correct? A. I was talking of the number in Nurnberg, and that was a labor movement. BY LORD WRIGHT: Q. What did you advocate, in those days, as the proper treatment of the Jews? A. I always stood for the Zionist opinion. I will only mention here Theodore Herzl, who was one of the most famous leaders of the Jews, and he wrote in his diary that you will find anti-Semitism everywhere. That is, you will find it in all those countries where Jews were present; and wherever Jews were settling to, anti-Semitism would rise there. Q. But what were you going to do? A. Like him, I advocated a National State for the Jews. It is interesting here that Herzl does not object to the racial question. He recognized the Jews as a separate state. The English Government was petitioned in the last war, and again in this war, and Mr. Churchill knows all that, that a certain part of Palestine was to be set apart, as an area for the Jews. Who was that English statesman in the last war-it was not Lloyd-George-oh, yes, I remember, it was Balfour. He made a declaration wherein he promised at the end of the war negotiations should be started, and the aim of these negotiations should be that the Jews were to receive an autonomous state in Palestine. Thus it was to be assured that they would have a political home in the world. Q. Do you know how large Palestine is? A. Palestine itself is not very large. I believe that I read some Jewish books which claimed there were 16 million Jews in the world, and thus the land in Palestine would not be enough for them. However, their demands were to found a state of their own. Q. You knew, then, that you couldn't get them all into Palestine? A. Yes? Whether I knew that? Q. Yes. A. Well, I thought about it a great deal, and I thought that if they were to be given just Palestine itself, it would not be enough. Then people say that the Arabs were not at all in favor of this idea. I was thinking of Transjordan, and also Syria, that might be given to them. Excerpts from Testimony of Julius Streicher, taken at What Streicher Meant by "Extermination" Q. So, summarizing your testimony, there was a change in the basic teaching, merely because you read a book written by a man named Kaufmann? A. Yes. One only has to read the edition of Der Stuermer that related to that and one can see that a tendency has been adopted which was far more radical. Q. Just briefly, what was the teaching prior to that time? A. Always the same. I have been asked before whether it was my point of view that I thought it right that a Jewish national state should be established. I can say now that between 1941 and 1943-I don't know exactly at what period-we wrote an article in our paper, where we asked that Madagascar should be given to the Jews. The German Censorship Department in Berlin sent back the finished article-I think it was already printedand did not accept it. This can be certified by my chief editor, Ernst Hiemer. Q. Did you approve everything that Hiemer wrote? A. I have had different journalists. Naturally, I did not approve everything, not every single sentence; that is clear. Q. Did you approve the articles as published in your paper? 1 A. Yes, certainly, mainly, yes. I want to amplify something in the question of Madagascar. There was an International AntiSemite League. On every Reichsparteitag in Nurnberg, antiSemites gathered in Nurnberg from America, from England, from South America, from everywhere. It happened every year. There, repeatedly the question came up regarding a Jewish National State. I want you to ask Mr. Rosenberg. Rosenberg, who was in charge of the ideological education, can certify that he has spoken about this question of Madagascar. Q. What about Palestine? A. Palestine is a request of the Zionist Jews. Theodore Herzl has been one of the most famous and greatest Jewish leaders. It was Herzl who caused the Balfour Declaration. Balfour, after the request of the Jews, has given a written declaration where he stated that Palestine should be given for the creation of the Jewish State. At the beginning of this war, discussions in this respect have taken place. Q. If I understand you correctly, you have at all times advocated the removal of Jews from Germany? A. Yes. Always on an international basis. I have always propagated in my paper that the Jewish question should be solved by the Jews forming a national state, just like any other nation, and should create a home there. Q. What mechanics did you advocate that should be used for moving Jews out of Germany? A. Whatever I have advocated publicly is here written down in my paper. I can declare under oath that there is nobody, not here in the prison or anywhere else, who can say that at any time I have been asked by the Fuehrer to discuss with him the question of the Jews. I can declare here that my paper was the only one which was not recognized by the Party. My paper did not bear the Party stamp of approyal. All the other papers did. I have not been asked to take part in the discussions of the Nurnberg laws. Everybody can certify to that. Frick has been taking part in it, but I have not. Q. Now will you direct your attention to my question. How did you preach that the Jews were to be moved out of Germany? A. I have made no public suggestions. Q. Did you ever use the word "exterminate"? A. I think my chief editor used it once, and in this article he also cited Kaufmann. This must have been one of his last articles, of February or March-I don't know exactly. He pointed out Kaufmann's request. I don't know exactly, but I do not believe that |