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CREATING THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY: CONSIDERATION OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SUBCOMMITTEE ON

OVERSIGHT AND INVESTIGATIONS

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND

COMMERCE

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

ONE HUNDRED SEVENTH CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

JUNE 25 and JULY 9, 2002

Serial No. 107-113

Printed for the use of the Committee on Energy and Commerce

Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/house

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STANFORD UNIVERSITY

JONSSON LIBRARY

COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE

W.J. "BILLY" TAUZIN, Louisiana, Chairman

MICHAEL BILIRAKIS, Florida
JOE BARTON, Texas

FRED UPTON, Michigan
CLIFF STEARNS, Florida
PAUL E. GILLMOR, Ohio

JAMES C. GREENWOOD, Pennsylvania
CHRISTOPHER COX, California
NATHAN DEAL, Georgia

RICHARD BURR, North Carolina
ED WHITFIELD, Kentucky
GREG GANSKE, Iowa

CHARLIE NORWOOD, Georgia

BARBARA CUBIN, Wyoming

JOHN SHIMKUS, Illinois

HEATHER WILSON, New Mexico
JOHN B. SHADEGG, Arizona

CHARLES "CHIP" PICKERING, Mississippi
VITO FOSSELLA, New York
ROY BLUNT, Missouri

TOM DAVIS, Virginia
ED BRYANT, Tennessee

ROBERT L. EHRLICH, Jr., Maryland
STEVE BUYER, Indiana

GEORGE RADANOVICH, California
CHARLES F. BASS, New Hampshire
JOSEPH R. PITTS, Pennsylvania
MARY BONO, California
GREG WALDEN, Oregon

LEE TERRY, Nebraska

ERNIE FLETCHER, Kentucky

JOHN D. DINGELL, Michigan
HENRY A. WAXMAN, California
EDWARD J. MARKEY, Massachusetts
RALPH M. HALL, Texas

RICK BOUCHER, Virginia
EDOLPHUS TOWNS, New York
FRANK PALLONE, Jr., New Jersey
SHERROD BROWN, Ohio

BART GORDON, Tennessee
PETER DEUTSCH, Florida
BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois

ANNA G. ESHOO, California
BART STUPAK, Michigan
ELIOT L. ENGEL, New York
TOM SAWYER, Ohio
ALBERT R. WYNN, Maryland
GENE GREEN, Texas
KAREN MCCARTHY, Missouri
TED STRICKLAND, Ohio
DIANA DEGETTE, Colorado
THOMAS M. BARRETT, Wisconsin
BILL LUTHER, Minnesota
LOIS CAPPS, California

MICHAEL F. DOYLE, Pennsylvania
CHRISTOPHER JOHN, Louisiana
JANE HARMAN, California

DAVID V. MARVENTANO, Staff Director
JAMES D. BARNETTE, General Counsel

REID P.F. STUNTZ, Minority Staff Director and Chief Counsel

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Atlas, Ronald, President-Elect, American Society for Microbiology
Baumann, Jeremiah D., Environmental Health Advocate, U.S. Public
Interest Research Group

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Cassell, Gail H., Vice President, Scientific Affairs, Distinguished Lilly
Research Scholar for Infectious Diseases, Eli Lilly and Company

Cobb, Donald D., Associate Director for Threat Reduction, Los Alamos

National Laboratory:

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O'Toole, Tara, Director, Center for Civilian Biodefense Studies, Johns
Hopkins University

Plaugher, Edward P., Chief, Arlington County Fire Department, Execu-
tive Agent, Washington Area National Medical Response Team
Ridge, Hon. Tom, Director of Transition Planning for Proposed Depart-
ment of Homeland Security and Assistant to the President for Home-
land Security

Smith, William, Executive Vice President, Network Operations,
BellSouth

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Sobel, David L., General Counsel, Electronic Privacy Information Center

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Tritak, John S., Director, Critical Infrastructure Assurance Office, Department of Commerce

Vantine, Harry C., Program Leader, Counterterrorism and Incident Response, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

Stringer, Lew, Medical Director, Division of Emergency Management,
North Carolina Department of Crime Control and Public Safety
Sullivan, John P., Jr., President and Chief Engineer, Boston Water and
Sewer Commission

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Varnado, Samuel G., Director, Infrastructure and Information Systems
Center, Sandia National Laboratories

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Watson, Kenneth C., President, Partnership for Critical Infrastructure
Security, Cisco Systems, Inc

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Additional material submitted for the record:

Brooks, Linton F., Acting Administrator, National Nuclear Security Administration, U.S. Department of Energy, prepared statement of Bryden, Robert A., Stff Vice President of Security, FedEx Corporation, prepared statement of

Ahern, Jason P., Assistant Commissioner, U.S. Customs Service, prepared statement of

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Holsen, Jim, Vice President, Engineering, United Parcel Service, Inc., prepared statement of

287

Howe, Barry, Vice President, Thermo Electron Corporation, prepared statement of

284

Jones, Gary, Director, Natural Resources and Environmental Issues, Gen-
eral Accounting Office, prepared statement of
Martin, Steven W., Director, Homeland Security, Pacific Northwest Na-
tional Laboratory, prepared statement of

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Nokes, David, Director, Systems Assessment and Research Center,
Sandia National Laboratories, prepared statement of

288

Panico, Frank, Manager, International Networks and Transportation,
U.S. Postal Service, prepared statement of

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Shotts, Wayne J., Associate Director for Nonproliferation, Arms Comtrol and International Security, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, prepared statement of.

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CREATING THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY: CONSIDERATION OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S PROPOSAL

TUESDAY, JUNE 25, 2002

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE,

SUBCOMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND INVESTIGATIONS,

Washington, DC. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:10 a.m., in room 2123, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. James C. Greenwood (chairman) presiding.

Members present: Representatives Greenwood, Stearns, Gillmor, Burr, Whitfield, Bass, Fletcher, Tauzin (ex officio), Deutsch, Stupak, Strickland, and DeGette.

Also present: Representatives Deal, Cubin, Waxman, Markey, Sawyer, Capps, and Harman.

Staff present: Tom DiLenge, majority counsel; Amit Sachdev, majority counsel; Ray Shepherd, majority counsel; Nandan Kenkeremath, majority counsel; Edith Holleman, minority counsel; and Chris Knauer, minority investigator.

Mr. GREENWOOD. The subcommittee will come to order. The Chair would announce before the commencement of opening statements that, pursuant to the rules, the chairman of the subcommittee and the ranking member and the chairman of the full committee and the ranking member of the full committee will be accorded 5 minutes for opening statements; other members of the subcommittee shall be accorded 3 minutes apiece.

We welcome the participation of other members of the full committee who are not members of the subcommittee, and should they arrive and wish to make opening statements, we will grant them time-yield them time, the amount of time being dependent upon how many of them there are.

And the Chair welcomes Governor Ridge, my friend-good to have you with us-and yields himself 5 minutes for the purpose of an opening statement.

Good morning. Today the subcommittee will hold the first day of a multipart hearing to examine how the Bush Administration's proposal to establish a Department of Homeland Security will affect the agencies and the operations over which this committee now exercises principal jurisdiction. Our first witness is the current Director of the Office of Homeland Security and our former colleague, Governor Tom Ridge, who is appearing today in his capacity as the chief of the transition team for this new department.

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