Mr. FLANAGAN. This would be Dooley from Annapolis! Mr. PRINCE. I think that may be the continuation of the same thing. Mr. FLANAGAN. Do you recollect now any other instances other than those that I have read to you where Cecil Green contacted you in connection with any matters pending before the RFC other than the cases we have mentioned, and other than American Lithofold? Mr. PRINCE. No, sir; I would not recollect them unless they are in that diary.

Mr. FLANAGAN. Did Mr. Boyle or anyone connected with the Democratic National Committee ever contact you in connection with American Lithofold?

Mr. PRINCE. No, sir.

Mr. FLANAGAN. Did Mr. Finnegan, James Finnegan, Jim Finnegan, the internal revenue, former internal revenue-collector in St. Louis, ever contact you in connection with American Lithofold?

Mr. PRINCE. I have a recollection that he came in briefly one time. Mr. FLANAGAN. In connection with American Lithofold?

Mr. PRINCE. I have a recollection that he came in briefly one time in connection with American Lithofold.

Mr. FLANAGAN. Is this when they were working on this $400,000 loan, the second loan?

Mr. PRINCE. I think it would have to do with that, yes, sir.

Mr. FLANAGAN. Do you recall what discussion he had with you? Mr. PRINCE. Yes, sir. He came in to my office and stepped into the door, as I recall it, and, according to my best recollection he stepped in two, three steps, and I says, "Come in here," and he said, "No; I don't have time.' He said, "If there is a letter comes in here asking for relaxation of the requirements in the resolution about withdrawals," he says, "don't act on that letter because there will be a subsequent letter withdrawing the request."

I says to him, words to this effect, "Come on, sit down," and he says, "No: I have got to go along."

Mr. FLANAGAN. Did you know who Mr. Finnegan was at that time? Mr. PRINCE. Well, I think now that I probably concluded then that he was then adviser for the company, possibly a legal adviser, or friend of the company, or a party at interest in some way.

Mr. FLANAGAN. Had you ever met Finnegan?

Mr. PRINCE. I had met him previously on or about the latter part of June 1949, at the Statler Hotel. I was introduced to him by Mr. Blauner, and I met him, and we were going to have lunch, and according to my best recollection he excused himself and did not have lunch, and went on.

Mr. FLANAGAN. Did Mr. Blauner at that time state or did Mr. Finnegan state on this occasion in June that you now refer to, what, if any. connection Finnegan had with the American Lithofold Corp.? Mr. PRINCE. No, sir; I don't recall that matter coming up. Mr. FLANAGAN. Then, the only other time you saw Finnegan was this day he stopped in your door concerning this letter?

Mr. PRINCE. In connection with the pendency of this case. Now, I saw him again in a hat check line when he was getting his hat and I was getting mine, and I thought it was Mr. Finnegan, and there were two lines there going up to the window, and I looked at him and I thought to myself that is who this man is, so I spoke to him and intro

duced myself to him. That was in January or February of 1951. I didn't feel I knew him well enough to speak to him without telling him who I was.

Mr. FLANAGAN. Do you recall that Mr. Finnegan ever came in on any other matters pending before the RFC or involving the RFC, other than American Lithofold?

Mr. PRINCE. No, sir; I don't think he came in. I think he called up one time and made an engagement for me to see somebody by the name of Shappard, and I saw a man by the name of Shappard, and I sent him on to the agency to file, and I don't know whether he filed or not. Mr. FLANAGAN. I think your diary entry shows that on February 15,

1950:

James Finnegan phoned for appointment for W. W. Shappard, Kansas. Prince saw him re Pike Grain Co., Louisiana, Mo.

Mr. PRINCE. That is what I am referring to, and I think that is what I am referring to. I could remember that he called now; I do knowI do not know whether he called from Washington, Mr. Flanagan, or where he was.

Mr. FLANAGAN. Did Mr. Finnegan indicate to you that he had an▾ connection with the Pike Grain Co. ?

Mr. PRINCE. No, sir.

Mr. FLANAGAN. He was just phoning as a courtesy?

Mr. PRINCE. That is right; a courtesy to Shappard, as I understood it. I don't know whether Shappard filed any application or not. Mr. FLANAGAN. I notice from your diary in the latter part of 1950 and early 1951 entries such as this:

November 7, 1950: Prince phoned James H. Allen, Pensacola, Fla. (long-distance call charged to American Lithofold Corp.), on securing sulfite for the company.

Mr. PRINCE. All right, sir. That goes back to a courtesy as a public servant. I recall something about that.

Mr. FLANAGAN. Tell us very briefly what it was.

Mr. PRINCE. Well, they came in and said they had Government orders to print forms and couldn't get paper and asked me if I could get them help-help get paper, and I phoned Mr. Allen to see if he could help them, and he said they could not make it.

Mr. FLANAGAN. Did you consider that part of your function as an official?

Mr. PRINCE. Oh, sure. People asked us to get material in shortage to fill Government contracts. I don't think I was ever successful in getting any for anybody.

Mr. FLANAGAN. On November 20, 1950, your diary indicates, and you say that:

R. A. Blauner phoning to say he'd talked with officials of St. Regis Paper Co. in N. Y. re securing paper for American Lithofold Co.

Mr. PRINCE. Wouldn't that be 19518

Mr. FLANAGAN. 1950, November 20.

Mr. PRINCE. Well, Mr. Allen told me that I could tell him to go and see some of his men in New York, but they didn't make it, and he didn't know what they could do for him, and it turned out that they didn't do anything about it because they didn't make the paper. Mr. FLANAGAN. At this point their loan was already paid off at the RFC.

Mr. PRINCE. Oh, sure, but we do that for anybody, try to help them get some material.

Mr. FLANAGAN. Your diary on January 16, 1951, indicates thatBlauner phoned for appt. for a Mr. Simms of American Lithofold Co., St. Louis, to see someone re purchasing Berwin Paper Mfg. Co. N. W. Saw W. A. H-discussed purchase.

Mr. PRINCE. That is William A. Hendrix.

Mr. FLANAGAN. Who is William A. Hendrix?

Mr. PRINCE. He was the services examiner.

Mr. FLANAGAN. Was this Berwin Paper Co. a borrower of the RFC?

Mr. PRINCE. Yes, and Blauner was under the impression that probably the RFC owned it, and Hendrix saw him and that was not a fact, and he told him he would have to go on and see the company. You see, he was trying to get raw materials. That is January 16, 1951? Mr. FLANAGAN. Yes.

Mr. PRINCE. This other date, "11-7-50," that was the other one we were talking about; wasn't it?

Mr. FLANAGAN. Yes.

Then, again on the 17th, Blauner called concerning the same matter, purchase of Berwin Paper Manufacturing Co.

Mr. PRINCE. That is right. He wanted to buy that plant to get a source of raw material, and Bill Hendrix told him to go on and see the owners.

Mr. FLANAGAN. Did you ordinarily render that type of service for any of these ex-borrowers or pending borrowers at the RFC? Mr. PRINCE. Why, sure.

Mr. FLANAGAN. I have no further questions.

Senator HOEY. That concludes this examination.

Senator MUNDT. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask a question. Do you recall, as one of the examiners on this loan, at what price Mr. Blauner turned his land and building over to the corporation? Mr. PRINCE. That was what I understood he was going to do, Senator.

it?

Senator MUNDT. Yes. Do you understand what price he put on

Mr. PRINCE. No, sir; I don't.

Senator MUNDT. You do not?

Mr. PRINCE. No, sir. That would be something they would work out at St. Louis.

Senator MUNDT. The second question: Did you go into the reasons why this applicant, Mr. Blauner, was paying his secretary over $100,000 a year?

Mr. PRINCE. No, sir; I didn't. I left that up to the Washington examiner, and I am under the impression that was restricted. Wasn't it?

Senator MUNDT. I think it was ultimately restricted, but it was in the application, and I wondered if you had

Mr. PRINCE. No, sir; I did not go into the details. I left that entirely to Mr. Williams.

Senator MUNDT. Did Mr. Green ever contact you or did you ever contact him any place else besides in your office?

Mr. PRINCE. Well, I think we had lunch at the Statler.

Senator MUNDT. Where else?

Mr. PRINCE. That is all I can recall.

Senator MUNDT. Just one lunch at the Statler one time?

Mr. PRINCE. No, sir; I wouldn't say "one." I think he was present more than that. You see, I think he was present

Senator MUNDT. Did he contact you other times, other than a lunch at the Statler or at your office?

Mr. PRINCE. I think I called him on the telephone.

Senator MUNDT. All right. Any other place, any other way? Did you ever see him in the evening or morning, over the week end?

Mr. PRINCE. You see, I live in Baltimore, and I am not around here in the evening.

Senator MUNDT. Mr. Chairman, one of the purposes of this investigation is to check into political influence and the degree it has been used, and Mr. Dunham, who was with the RFC for about 2 years, testified under oath that he saw no reason why member or members of the Democratic National Committee should single him out for contacts, contact him more frequently than they contacted other people in the RFC.

Because, unfortunately from the standpoint of a committee investigating this kind of influence, many RFC officials do not keep diarien Mr. Dunham did.

I have had a careful check made of the number of times that Mr. Dunham's diary showed that he was contacted from the National Democratic Committee in connection with RFC business, and I would like to read into the record at this time the tables which show that, and then I will ask unanimous consent to put the whole detailed table into the record, which will show the dates and the whole thing.

Mr. Tourney Gratz, who was a member of the National Democratic Committee, according to the Dunham diary, visited Dunham 22 times; Gratz telephoned Dunham 19 times, and Dunham telephoned Gratz 4 times, for a total of 45 times in 2 years.

Mr. Grey Leslie, who was a member of the Democratic National Committee, according to this diary, shows he telephoned Dunham 30 times; Dunham telephoned Leslie 10 times, and they had miscellaneons contacts and the diary will disclose in the record what they mean, which means that sometimes the call was made from the secretary of Mr. Leslie in regard to something Mr. Leslie wanted, or something of that nature, all for a total of 47 times.

With respect to Mr. Boyle, Mr. Boyle lunched with Dunham five times; Boyle called Dunham five times: Dunham telephoned Boyle six times. There were miscellaneous calls nine times, for a total of 25 calls with Mr. Boyle's office.

The assistant to Mr. Boyle was Robert Moore, who called Mr. Dunham three times, and Dunham called Mr. Moore four times, for a total of seven times.

Mr. Merl Young, who was with the Democratic National Committee, lunched with Dunham in this 2-vear period 25 times, and visited in Dunham's office; he telephoned Dunham 53 times; Dunham called him 5 times and Young telephoned Dunham 5 times; there were miscellaneous contacts between the Young office and the Dunham office of 5, for a total number of contacts in 2 years of 90, which total, if anybody can add, would be seen to run over 200 times in 2 years with Mr. Dunham alone, from the Democratic National Committee.

I will ask unanimous consent to put the whole table in; all of the table.

Senator HOEY. Mr. Flanagan tells me that is all included in the record.

Senator MUNDT. It is included, but it is obscured, and I have had it. tabulated, but it is there so that everybody can see it.

(Excerpts from diary referred to were marked "Exhibit No. 14" any may be found in the appendix on p: 1211.)

Senator HOEY. Any further questions?

Senator MCCLELLAN. Mr. Chairman, I have before me a diary that is from Mr. Prince's office. I am not sure whether it is the office diary of your secretary, but it gives an account of calls. Can you identify it? Mr. PRINCE. Yes, sir. Which one is that now, Senator?

Senator MCCLELLAN. I just ask you whether that is your diary or the diary kept by your secretary.

Mr. PRINCE. It is the one kept by her of our calls.

Senator MCCLELLAN. That is what I wanted to be sure of.

Mr. PRINCE. This is her handwriting.

Senator MCCLELLAN. All right. I find in this diary-first, I may ask you, did I understand you to say that you knew Mr. Siskind? Mr. PRINCE. I met him once, Senator.

Senator MCCLELLAN. Only one time?

Mr. PRINCE. And then I saw him once in the corridor down there. Senator MCCLELLAN. Did you have a fair acquaintance with him? Mr. PRINCE. No, sir.

Senator MCCLELLAN. Just a casual acquaintance?

Mr. PRINCE. Casual. As I recollect-it is a strange thing that I can recollect it-I think when I took over that new job on June 3, 1949, he was the first man who came in to see me about a case, and it was in the Board's docket for that morning and that is all there was to it. I don't think I saw him any more for over a year.

Senator MCCLELLAN. Did you know whom he represented?
Mr. PRINCE. At the time?

Senator MCCLELLAN. Yes. I understand he was an attorney. Mr. PRINCE. Yes, sir. I don't know who his clients were other than

Senator MCCLELLAN. I find in this diary, on the 8th of December 1948, this entry. "Mr. Siskind”.

Mr. PRINCE. That would be before my time. I did not start until June 3.

Senator MCCLELLAN. All right. You did not start until June 3 when?

Mr. PRINCE. 1949.

Senator MCCLELLAN. I find this in your diary at that time. This occurs December 8, 1948

Mr. Siskind, attorney for William Boyle, Jr., to see S. J. F.

Mr. PRINCE. That is Sterling J. Foster, Jr.

Senator MCCLELLAN (reading):

re application loan $3,000,000. Represents president of Consolidated Steel Works, Pennsylvania Structural Steel Co., Philadelphia, Pa. Sent by Hise.

What I am trying to determine here is whether Mr. Siskind, an attorney, was representing Mr. William Boyle or what interest Mr. William Boyle had in this particular loan.