Senator HOEY. Was he in Mr. Boyle's office or in the same location? Mr. GREEN. Yes; he was. Senator HOEY. That was the law office? Mr. GREEN. Yes. Senator HOEY. After you suggested the employment of Mr. Siskind, he was employed, I believe, on the same terms as Mr. Boyle had been employed? Mr. GREEN. That is right. Senator HOEY. And Mr. Siskind is still employed by the company? Mr. GREEN. That is right. Senator HOEY. At a salary of $500 a month. Mr. GREEN. That is right. Senator HOEY. Mr. Green, did you represent any other company while you represented Mr. Boyle? Mr. GREEN. Your Honor, Senator, if I may have the privilege of clarifying that Senator HOEY. Go ahead and state it. You see what you said before was in executive session. Mr. GREEN. Would you state the question again? Senator HOEY. Were you employed by any other company to do any other services in Washington while you were in the employ of the American Lithofold Corp.? Mr. GREEN. American Lithofold Corp. I am glad you brought that out. I thought you said Mr. Boyle. I misunderstood. During the time I testified, and I think you have the testimony there-that I testified before the subcommittee pertaining to other loans, it was my thought that this hearing Senator HOEY. Just go ahead and tell when you were employed. I don't care about that. Mr. GREEN. Will you let me clarify a little bit? I thought it pertained to American Lithofold Corp. There has been things brought out to refresh my memory. If you have a record of them there, of all of them, I will be more than glad to discuss with any member of the committee. Senator HOEY. You go ahead and tell us about what you can think of now. Whether the companies employed you or paid you money during the period when you were employed by the American Lithofold Co. Mr. GREEN. To represent them as Senator HOEY. In any way. Mr. GREEN. In RFC loans? Senator HOEY. No, in any way at all, to represent them. Senator HOEY. Just name them. Mr. GREEN. I will tell you what I would like to do, if I could now. If it is all right with the committee, I would like to take these things just one at a time. Senator HOEY. That is what I am asking about, one. Tell us one, then tell us the next one. Mr. GREEN. Just one at a time and not get it all confused, if I may. Senator HOEY. You just go ahead and answer the question. I am asking about one, and tell us about one. newspapers Mr. GREEN. As I understand from the Mr. GREEN. That is all I had heard Senator HOEY. I don't care what you heard. Just answer my question. Has any other company employed you during this time and, if so, how much have they paid you? Mr. GREEN. I believe Ory Lumber Co. and— Senator HOEY. All right. Wait a minute about that. Where are they located? Mr. GREEN. Fair Mount, Ga. Senator HOEY. How much did they pay you? Mr. GREEN. I believe either $200 or $250. Senator HOEY. What service did you render them? Mr. GREEN. In regard to Ory Lumber Co., my services rendered to them were that-do you have the records of my checks there? Senator HOEY. Do you remember how much money they paid you? Mr. GREEN. I think around $200 or $250. I don't remember. Senator HOEY. What service did you render them? Mr. GREEN. The service I rendered to Ory Lumber Co. was that Mr. Ory owed me, I believe he borrowed during the inauguration or some time along the line there, I don't remember what it was, either $100 or $150, either one of the two ways. He asked me to see if I could get some business for him in manufacturing of pallets with the Government, on which I made a trip to Philadelphia to make an inquiry for Hayward Ory, who has been a friend of mine for a long time. To my knowledge, Your Honor, Senator, there is nothing ever came of it. I don't think anything, that they ever got anything out of it. Senator HOEY. All right. That is all they paid you, $250? Mr. GREEN. I don't recall. It was either $200 or $250. I just don't recall exactly. Senator HOEY. Let's take another company. What other company did you represent? Mr. GREEN. You have a record there, would you Senator HOEY. Don't bother about the record. Mr. GREEN. Would you call them off one at a time? I believe you have them there, if you will. It refreshes my memory. Senator HOEY. Did you represent the McPike Drug Co.? Mr. GREEN. McPike Drug Co.? Senator HOEY. Yes. Mr. GREEN. Yes. Senator HOEY. Where is the McPike Drug Co. located? Senator HOEY. Where? Mr. GREEN. Kansas City, Mo. Senator HOEY. How much did they pay you? Mr. GREEN. They paid me a thousand dollars a month for, I believe it was, 5 months. I don't remember. Senator HOEY. For about 5 months? Mr. GREEN. I believe it was. I don't recollect. Senator HOEY. What did you do for this McPike Drug Co.? Mr. GREEN. McPike Drug Co.-at that time Mr. Ray Edlund, of whom I have known for a long time, have been a long-time personal friend, contemplated on opening offices in Washington. They re quested that I try to-they were contemplating on opening offices, and they were interested probably in securing Government business. Senator HOEY. All right. Mr. GREEN. Of which I made inquiries to the Veterans' Administration through the proper channels, through the Medical Corps in proper channels, and whether anything ever came of it or not I don't know, because at the time I first inquired they were not even on the eligible bid list to bid on this work. Senator HOEY. All right. You represented them for a period of about 5 months, something like that, did you? Mr. GREEN. I presume so, Mr. Chairman. Senator HOEY. And they paid you a thousand dollars a month? Senator HOEY. Then you discontinued the contract? Mr. GREEN. That is right. Senator HOEY. Did you represent the Vendo Co. ? Mr. GREEN. Vendo Corp.? Senator HOEY. Yes, Kansas City. Mr. GREEN. Yes; I did. Senator HOEY. How much did they pay you? Mr. GREEN. Three hundred dollars a month. Senator HOEY. For how long? Mr. GREEN. I don't know whether it was 3, 5 months, or 6. I just don't recall. Senator HOEY. What was this company engaged in doing? Mr. GREEN. This company was engaged in the manufacturing of an automatic Coca-Cola box, where you put a nickel in or a quarter in and get a Coca-Cola. Senator HOEY. What service did you render for them? Mr. GREEN. Only services that I rendered for them, that I have known one of the brothers of the Vendo Corp. for quite some time. At the outbreak of this Korean situation they were automatically asked to curtail their manufacturing of Coca-Cola machines. I be lieve, I just don't recall which one of the brothers. I believe it was Mr. Elmer Pearson, that I didn't know too well. I knew Fred very well. He came to Washington and told me of this condition that they were in at that time and asked me if I would mind inquiring as to them obtaining some Government business, because it is a large plant. They employ several hundred people, the majority of them from Independence, and they asked me if I would please inquire as to something that they might do. Senator HOEY. Did you get them any business? Mr. GREEN. Your Honor, Mr. Chairman, I don't know whetherI think they did get some business, but I assure you I don't think I had too much to do with it. Senator HOEY. You were employed by them for this period you mentioned? Mr. GREEN. I believe it was 6 or 7 months. I don't remember. I don't recall just exactly how much. Senator HOEY. We will put in the record photostatic copies of five checks from McPike Co. for a thousand dollars each, making a total of $5,000. (Exhibit 22, consisting of five checks to Cecil A. Green, from McPike, Inc., may be found in the subcommittee files.) Senator HOEY. Mr. Flanagan, you may go ahead. Senator HOEY. You worked about 3 months for Vendo-3 or 5? Mr. GREEN. Five, or maybe more. I don't recall just how many it was. Mr. FLANAGAN. We will put those checks in the record. I believe we have photostats of those checks, Mr. Green, from the Vendo Co. We will put them in the record. Mr. GREEN. I don't recall. Mr. FLANAGAN. It was 300 a month. I believe it was 5 months. Mr. GREEN. It may have been 5 or 6, I don't know. Mr. FLANAGAN. Five or six. Senator MUNDT. Are you going to ask him now about his other employment at that time or have you got another theme? Mr. FLANAGAN. I will keep on other employment. Senator MCCARTHY. I will ask, for the purpose of saving time, would you prefer to develop the evidence first? If I have any questions to ask, I would rather follow along as you have this planned. Mr. FLANAGAN. Yes; that would be better. Senator MUNDT. So we know that we are starting on the same basis so far the witness has testified he received $5,000 from the McPike Co. and $1,500 from the Vendo Co. Mr. FLANAGAN. That is right. And he also testified he received $250 from the Ory Lumber Co., and I might state an examination of his bank accounts indicates a check dated August 9, 1950, in the amount of $250 payable to Cecil Green, signed by Hayward A. Ory of the Ory Lumber & Construction Co., which states "For services rendered." (Checks to Cecil A. Green from the Vendo Co. were marked as "Exhibit No. 23" and may be found in the files of the subcommittee.) Mr. GREEN. I don't know how he handled his bookkeeping, Mr. Flanagan. But to the best of my recollection I believe that Hayward had to get back one evening and didn't have quite enough money to get back, and I believe I lent him $100 or $150. I don't remember which. Mr. FLANAGAN. So then the other 100 or 150, whichever it may be, part of this check is for services rendered, and you now say either 100 or 150 was in repayment of a loan; is that correct? Mr. GREEN. That is right; that is right to the best of my recollection. Senator MUNDT. So your net take from Ory Lumber Co. was about 100 instead of 250? Mr. FLANAGAN. That is right; either 100 or 150, depending on how much he had borrowed. Mr. GREEN. I don't remember. He did borrow some during the inauguration, I believe. I don't recollect. Senator MUNDT. Go ahead. Mr. FLANAGAN. Mr. Green, did you ever contact the RFC on behalf of the Ory Lumber Co. ? Mr. GREEN. Now, if I may, if I may, Mr. Chairman, if you permit, if I may inject this-that I still say again that at that time of my questioning when I was before the subcommittee there has been things brought up that refreshed my memory. I may have gone over there with Mr. Hayward, for he is a personal friend of mine, and I have known him for a long time, and I wouldn't hesitate to go over to the RFC. Mr. FLANAGAN. What refreshed your memory since our executive hearing of a week or a week and a half ago? Mr. GREEN. This investigation. Mr. FLANAGAN. Have you talked with Mr. Ory or anyone connected with it in the last 2 weeks? Mr. GREEN. I certainly have. I sure did, because I couldn't recall it. I could not. Mr. FLANAGAN. I might state here that the Willett diary entry indicates that on November 10, 1948, you were in Mr. Willett's office with Mr. Prince and Mr. Ory. Now what was that-the time you were there in connection with the Ory Lumber Co. loan? Mr. GREEN. It is possible. It could have been. I took Mr. Ory up there to introduce him for the loan. I knew nothing about his financial background or anything else. Hayward Ory has been a friend of mine for quite a long time. Mr. FLANAGAN. On the occasion of that visit to Mr. Willett's office did you discuss the merits of the loan with Mr. Willett or anybody else in the RFC? Mr. GREEN. Not to my knowledge. I wouldn't know anything about his difficulties. Mr. FLANAGAN. This payment of $250, does it have any connection with your taking of Mr. Ory up to the RFC? Mr. GREEN. Absolutely not; absolutely not. Mr. FLANAGAN. Do you now recollect that you contacted the RFC in connection with the McPike Co. ? Mr. GREEN. Well, as I told you, when you asked me a question if I talked to Mr. Ray Edlund or anybody pertaining to McPike Drug Co., not to my recollection did I ever intercede for them as far as the McPike Drug Co. I don't know. I may have taken them up there and introduced them to Mr. Frank Prince or-that is the only one I could have introduced them to. Mr. FLANAGAN. The record shows, Mr. Frank Prince's office diary shows the following entry on October 13, 1948: Cecil Green, R. R. Edlund, R. O. Stenzel, in to see Prince re McPike Drug Co., Kansas City, Mo. Preliminary information re RFC loan to purchase the company. Do you now have any recollection of that visit? Mr. GREEN. That could be possible, Mr. Flanagan. I might have taken them into the proper places there to introduce them; merely to introduce them. I knew nothing of their financial background of their arrangements or anything else. I knew nothing about it. It is possible that I could have. Mr. FLANAGAN. You were a friend of Mr. Edlund's, though, were you not? Mr. GREEN. That is right. Mr. FLANAGAN. You know on March 13, 1950, McPike's Drug had a loan in the amount of $700,000 approved by the Board of Directors of RFC? Mr. GREEN. I didn't know that they did. Mr. FLANAGAN. Did you ever find out; did you ever hear that they got a loan from the RFC? |