Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same. Mr. BEALE. Did you sell honorary memberships in the league to Communist Party leaders? Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same. Mr. BEALE. The Daily Worker of August 25, 1949, carries a column headed, "Dear Ben Gold." In that column appears the following: We who have just attended the first national leaders' meeting of the national organizing conference for a Labor Youth League are proud to second Ben Gold's motion. We pledge our efforts to win young people for the freedom of Winston, Green, and Hall, and for the smashing of the frameup on Foley Square. Among the signers to the letter appears the name of Joseph Bucholt. Are you the Joseph Bucholt mentioned in that? Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same. Mr. BEALE. Did you ever hear of a publication called the Challenge? (The witness conferred with his counsel.) Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same. Mr. BEALE. Isn't that a publication of the Labor Youth League? Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same. Mr. BEALE. On page 6 of the issue of March 1950 appears an article about Jose Marti, a Cuban revolutionary hero. The article is by Ted Veal and Joe Bucholt. Did you prepare, or take part or participate in the preparation of, that article? Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same. Mr. BEALE. On the same page appears the picture of Ted Veal, Joe Bucholt, and Flavio Bravo, a leader of the Cuban Socialist Youth. Will you look at the picture and tell the committee if that is a reasonable likeness of you? Mr. BUCHOLT. I decline to answer that question based on my constitutional rights as guaranteed under the first and fifth amendments. Mr. BEALE. According to information in the files of the committee, the Labor Youth League held its first national convention on November 23-26, 1950, in New York City. Did you attend that convention? Mr. BUCHOLT. I decline to answer that question based on my rights under the first and fifth amendments to the United States Constitution, as well as on the ground that hearings in relation to the Labor Youth League, as indicated in the motion filed by my attorney this morning, are now pending before other bodies. The CHAIRMAN. Where is the hearing pending? Mr. BUCHOLT. It is pending before the Subversive Activities Control Board. The CHAIRMAN. Have you been subpenaed as a witness in that proceeding? (The witness conferred with his counsel.) Mr. BUCHOLT. No. The CHAIRMAN. Do you know whether the preceding witness in this hearing was subpenaed in that proceeding? (The witness conferred with his counsel.) Mr. BUCHOLT. I decline to answer that question, based on my rights as guaranteed under the first and fifth amendments. The CHAIRMAN. I direct you to answer that question. Mr. BUCHOLT. I decline to answer that question, based on my rights under the first and fifth amendments. The CHAIRMAN. These proceedings were brought after the Attorney General found this organization, with which it is alleged you have been associated, to be a Communist organization; is that not correct? (The witness conferred with his counsel.) Mr. BUCHOLT. I decline to answer that, based on my rights under the first and fifth amendments. The CHAIRMAN. I direct you to answer the question. Mr. BUCHOLT. I decline to answer that, based on my rights under the first and fifth amendments. The CHAIRMAN. Proceed, Mr. Beale. Mr. BEALE. We were talking about the report of the first national convention of the Labor Youth League. I want to show you a photostatic copy of page 22 of that report, which is an article entitled, "Education for Peace, Excerpt From the Report on Education." I ask you to look at that and state whether or not that photostatic copy says that that article was by Joe Bucholt. (The witness conferred with his counsel.) Mr. BUCHOLT. Yes; that article says it was by Joe Bucholt. The CHAIRMAN. Are you the Joe Bucholt who wrote that article? Mr. BUCHOLT. I decline to answer that question on the same grounds. Mr. BEALE. The Daily Worker of December 29, 1950, carries a news item about the 15th National Convention of the Communist Party, and about meetings held in Manhattan, Brooklyn, and the Bronx. According to this article, Joseph Bucholt spoke at the Manhattan meeting. Are you the Joseph Bucholt mentioned in the article? Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same as previously stated. The CHAIRMAN. What was that date? Mr. BEALE. December 29, 1950. According to the Daily Worker of September 26, 1951, a rally was to be held the following day sponsored by the Committee to Defend Roosevelt Ward, Jr. Among the speakers scheduled were Joseph Bucholt, State chairman of the Labor Youth League. Are you the Joseph Bucholt mentioned in that article? Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same. Mr. BEALE. Are you acquainted with Roosevelt Ward, Jr.? Mr. BEALE. The Daily Worker of June 12, 1952, carries an open letter to Claudia Jones and Betty Gannett. The letter closes with these words: Warmest fraternal greetings. New York State Board, Labor Youth League; Joe Bucholt, chairman; Mary Morris, organizational director. Are you the Joe Bucholt mentioned there? Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same. Mr. BEALE. Were you the chairman of the New York State board of the Labor Youth League? Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same. Mr. BUCHOLT. The same answer. Mr. BEALE. Who is Mary Morris? Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same. Mr. BEALE. According to the Daily Worker of Wednesday, January 20, 1954, members and leaders of the Labor Youth League will join in celebrating the 30th anniversary of the Daily Worker the following Friday. This was a statement supposedly made by Joe Bucholt, New York State chairman of the Labor Youth League. Are you the Joseph Bucholt mentioned there? Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same. Mr. BEALE. According to the Daily Worker of February 25, 1954, a new national council of the Labor Youth League was elected at its second national convention. Joseph Bucholt is listed as a member of the new national council. Are you that Joseph Bucholt? Mr. BUCHOLT. I decline to answer that, based on my constitutional rights as guaranteed under the first and fifth amendments. Mr. BEALE. According to the Daily Worker of March 7, 1955, Robert Fogel was elected as State chairman of the Labor Youth League to succeed Joseph Bucholt, who had served 4 years in that capacity. Are you the Joe Bucholt mentioned there? Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same. Mr. BEALE. The Daily Worker of March 10, 1955, carries an article in which appears the following: The convention, on behalf of the national membership of the LYL, said farewell to the former State chairman of the New York State organization, Joseph Bucholt, who was released from activity in the LYL and the national youth movement. Mr. Bucholt was paid tribute to by the delegates with speeches and gifts and warmly saluted for his many years of service to American youth and the Labor Youth League. Are you the Joseph Bucholt referred to in that article? Mr. BUCHOLT. I decline to answer that, based on my constitutional rights as guaranteed under the first and fifth amendments. Mr. BEALE. What does the article mean when it says you were released from activity in the Labor Youth League? Mr. BUCHOLT. I decline to answer that on the same grounds. Mr. BEALE. Are you today active in the Labor Youth League? Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same. Mr. BEALE. Isn't it true, Mr. Bucholt, that you were released from activity in the Labor Youth League to take a position of importance with the Communist Party underground? (The witness conferred with his counsel.) Mr. BUCHOLT. I decline to answer that question on the basis of my rights as guaranteed under the first and fifth amendments. Mr. BEALE. Are you today a member of the Communist Party? Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same. Mr. BEALE. Have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? Mr. BUCHOLT. My answer is the same. Mr. BEALE. I have no further questions. The CHAIRMAN. When were you commissioned in the Army, Mr. Bucholt? Mr. BUCHOLT. I was commissioned, I think it was, the summer of 1943. e CHAIRMAN. Were you a member of the Communist Party when ath of allegiance was administered? BUCHOLT. I decline to answer that question on the basis of my tutional rights as guaranteed under the first and fifth amend WILLIS. Did you take an oath of allegiance at the time. CHAIRMAN. As a matter of fact, at that very moment you were anizer for one of the Communist organizations; were you not? e witness conferred with his counsel.) BUCHOLT. Without relinquishing any of my rights under the mendment and first amendment of the Constitution, I was fully rcent of my time, thinking and activity, devoted to service in ited States Army and in the efforts to defeat the Nazi armies we were fighting. CHAIRMAN. All right. BEALE. He still hasn't answered the question, Mr. Chairman. JACKSON. Was the oath of allegiance which you took at that ken in good faith? BUCHOLT. Absolutely. JACKSON. In the event of hostilities as between this country Soviet Union, would you again take such an oath in good faith? BUCHOLT. I have taken the oath under good faith. I always hs of allegiance and loyalty to my country in good faith, and and feel that the question as posed in relation to conflict the United States and the Soviet Union is an unreal one, and h stems from, and is part of an anti-Soviet war hysteria, which rces in our country are seeking to perpetrate at this time. CKSON. That is a very fine statement. It does not, of course, he question which I asked, whether or not in the event of hostilities between this country and the Soviet Union, would in good faith such an oath of allegiance as might be required? CHOLT. I answered that question. CKSON. No. Let the record show you did not answer it. a very evasive and roundabout reply, but it was in no sense . I have no further questions. AIRMAN. You have testified, and you just stated, that you ke an oath in good faith. If that is a fact, why don't you what we are trying to do? We are not trying to prosecute We are not trying to get anyone into any trouble. We are to let the young people of this country know that there are reeping about. That is all. If you took the oath in good don't you tell us what you know? Why don't you answer tions? HOLT. My record stands on itself in relation to my devotion try and to the young generation. IRMAN. Any more witnesses, Mr. Beale? pon the witness was excused.) LE. Robert Fogel. IRMAN. Will you hold up your right hand, Mr. Fogel? emnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will , the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? EL. I do. TESTIMONY OF ROBERT FOGEL, ACCOMPANIED BY HIS COUNSEL, Mr. BEALE. Will you state your name for the record, please? Mr. BEALE. Let the record show that the same counsel is representing Mr. Fogel as represented the two preceding witnesses. When and where were you born? Mr. FOGEL. I was born in New York City on July 1, 1926. Mr. BEALE. Where do you presently reside? Mr. FOGEL. In New York City. Mr. BEALE. Do you have any objection to giving us the street address? Mr. FOGEL. 609 West 151st Street. Mr. BEALE. What has been your educational training? Mr. FOGEL. I went to various public schools in New York City. I graduated from Stuyvesant High School, and I graduated from Cornell University in June of 1948. Mr. BEALE. Did you ever hear of a publication called New Foundations? Mr. FOGEL. I decline to answer that question under the first and fifth amendments. Mr. BEALE. According to the spring 1948 issue of New Foundations, Robert Fogel of Cornell University is listed as one of the collegiate editors. Are you the Robert Fogel mentioned there? Mr. FOGEL. I decline to answer that question on the same grounds as I stated previously. Mr. BEALE. The same issue contains a short story entitled "Mostly Love Stories," by Robert Fogel. Are you that Robert Fogel? Mr. FOGEL. I decline to answer that question on the same grounds. Mr. BEALE. The same issue lists the names of the contributors, and the listing reads: Robert Fogel, a senior at Cornell University, is president of the Marxist Cultural Society there. Are you that Robert Fogel? Mr. FOGEL. I decline to answer that question. Mr. BEALE. While a student at Cornell University, were you president or affiliated in any manner with the Marxist Cultural Society? Mr. FOGEL. When I was a student at Cornell, I was active, as many students are, in all kinds of scholastic and extracurricular activities. I might say that was a period of time when young people were not as intimidated as they are today by committees such as this, and were much less afraid of entering into debate on all kinds of public issues. The CHAIRMAN. Why do you suppose the young people are afraid today? Mr. FOGEL. I think the whole past number of years has been one in which witch hunting stemming from The CHAIRMAN. We are not witch hunting. We are Communist hunting. Mr. FOGEL. That is your opinion. My opinion is that this committee and many other committees are carrying out activities which are stifling democratic thinking The CHAIRMAN. Let's get the record straight. This committee is doing nothing of the sort. The Congress of the United States, becom |