Mr. TAVENNER. I hand you a photostatic copy of another application for passport, bearing the date the 3d day of January 1938, with a notation stamped on it that a passport was issued January 4, 1938, by the vice consul of the United States in Paris, France.

This application shows that it was authorized for immediate return to the United States. Will you examine the second page, please, and state whether or not the signature you find there of David Metropolitan is your signature?

Mr. MATES. I think that I will claim the privilege under the fifth amendment, and it would apply to this answer as well.

Mr. TAVENNER. Would you examine the first page of the application, a little above the middle of the page, and state whether or not there is a statement on the application by the applicant that since his naturalization he has resided outside the United States in France, from April 5, 1937, to April 12, 1937. Do you see that?

Mr. MATES. Yes.

Mr. TAVENNER. In Spain from April 12, 1937, to December 11, 1937, and in France from December 11, 1937, to the date of the application. Do you see that information there?

Mr. MATES. I see it on the form.

Mr. TAVENNER. Does that statement in the application correctly recite the facts with regard to your residence outside of the United States since your naturalization?

Mr. MATES. I again claim the privilege of the fifth amendment not to testify

Mr. TAVENNER. Will you examine the photograph appearing on the second page and state whether or not it is a photograph of you? Mr. MATES. I will have to decline to answer on the grounds of protection I have under the fifth amendment.

Mr. TAVENNER. It is noted that a reference is given by you or by the applicant on this application to Mr. Morris Oken, 136 East 28th Street, New York City. Is Mr. Oken your father-in-law? (Witness consulted counsel.)

Mr. MATES. A Morris Oken, currently deceased, was my father-inlaw.

Mr. TAVENNER. Was that his address that I gave you in 1936? (Witness consulted counsel.)

Mr. MATES. I don't recall the address.

Mr. TAVENNER. Your wife's name was Lydia Oken; was it not? Mr. MATES. Yes; that is my wife's maiden name.

Mr. TAVENNER. She is the daughter of Mr. Morris Oken?
Mr. MATES. That is correct.

Mr. TAVENNER. It is noted that the identifying witness to your application is Mr. Irving Schwab, who gives as his residence Hotel du Louvre, Paris, France, and that he states in this identifying affidavit that he has known you for a period of 6 years.

Will you tell the committee, please, how you became acquainted with Mr. Irving Schwab?

(Witness consulted counsel.)

Mr. MATES. I will claim the privilege of the fifth amendment not to answer, and not to testifying about knowing Mr. Schwab.

Mr. TAVENER. Is he the same Mr. Irving Schwab who was candidate on the Communist Party ticket in 1936 for judge of the Court of Appeals for the State of New York?

Mr. MATES. I don't know. I couldn't answer the question, and I don't know whether he was or not.

Mr. TAVENNER. What was Mr. Schwab's business in Paris in 1938, at the time of his execution of the affidavit of identifying witness on this application for passport?

(Witness consulated counsel.)

Mr. MATES. I will claim the privilege of the fifth amendment and decline to answer the question.

Mr. TAVENNER. Leonard Lamb, of the Abraham Lincoln Battalion, publicly credited Mr. Irving Schwab with making it possible for numerous veterans of the Abraham Lincoln Battalion to reenter this country. Was this the business in which Mr. Schwab was engaged when you met him in Paris?

Mr. MATES. I claim the privilege of the fifth amendment not to be a witness against myself.

Mr. TAVENNER. Will you tell the committee, please, what Mr. Schwab did to make it possible for veterans to return to the United States, if you know?

Mr. MATES. I do not know.

Mr. TAVENNER. Why was it necessary that you secure a passport to return to the United States when you were given a passport in the United States to travel to Europe?

(Witness consulted counsel.)

Mr. MATES. I still claim the privilege of the fifth amendment not to testify against myself.

Mr. TAVENNER. I desire to offer the application for passport of January 3, 1938, in evidence, and ask it be marked as "Exhibit No. 2." Mr. DOYLE. It will be so received and so marked, without objection. (Document referred to above was marked "Mates Exhibit No. 2," and received in evidence.