Mr. MOULDER. Call your first witness. Mr. TAVENNER. Julia Jacobs, will you come forward, please? Mr. DONNER. My name is Frank Donner. I am counsel for Miss Jacobs and two other witnesses who have been subpenaed today. Before Miss Jacobs is sworn in, may I file with the committee for incorporation in the record a motion addressed as to the jurisdiction of the committee to proceed. Mr. MOULDER. You may file the motion; and then whatever action the committee desires to take upon it, we will take. Mr. DONNER. Will it be physically incorporated in the record, sir? Mr. MOULDER. We will decide that question after we have examined the motion. Mr. DONNER. I will file two copies with the committee. Mr. MOULDER. Let the record show that the motion by counsel is duly filed. Will you hold up your right hand and be sworn. Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Miss JACOBS. I do. TESTIMONY OF JULIA JACOBS, ACCOMPANIED BY HER COUNSEL, FRANK J. DONNER Mr. TAVENNER. Will you state your name, please? Miss JACOBS. My name is Julia Jacobs. Mr. TAVENNER. I believe you are accompanied by counsel. Miss JACOBS. Yes. Mr. DONNER. My name is Frank J. Donner. I am an attorney practicing in New York City, 342 Madison Avenue. Mr. TAVENNER. When and where were you born, Miss Jacobs? Miss JACOBS. I was born in Dayton, Ohio, March 2, 1920. Mr. TAVENNER. Where do you now reside? Miss JACOBS. I live in St. Joseph, Mich. Mr. TAVENNER. Will you tell the committee, please, what your educational training has been, that is, your formal educational training. Miss JACOBS. Elementary school and high school. Mr. TAVENNER. At what place? Miss JACOBS. Dayton, Ohio. Mr. TAVENNER. How are you now employed, Miss Jacobs ? Miss JACOBS. I am the office secretary of the UE Local 931 of St. Joseph, Mich. Mr. TAVENNER. How long have you been secretary of local 931? Miss JACOBS. I have been employed twice there, once in 1950 and then I left in Mr. TAVENNER. Was that in 1950 that you first became employed by local 931? Miss JACOBS. Yes. Mr. TAVENNER. Of what union is local 931? Miss JACOBS. United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America. Mr. TAVENNER. What time in the year 1950 were you employed? Miss JACOBS. As I recall, it was from about the middle of April 1950 until the end of 1951. Mr. TAVENNER. Then what was your next employment with local 931, UE? Miss JACOBS. My next employment was, I believe, in March 1953 until presently. Mr. TAVENNER. How were you employed between the end of 1951 and March 1953 ? Miss JACOBS. I was an organizer for this same union in the South. Mr. TAVENNER. Where in the South? Miss JACOBS. Mostly Magnavox at Greeneville, Tenn. Magnavox Co. in Tennessee. Mr. TAVENNER. When did you begin your assignment in Greeneville, Tenn.? Miss JACOBS. I believe it was January 1952. Mr. TAVENNER. How long did you remain there? Miss JACOBS. I left that job in January 1953. Mr. TAVENNER. How were you employed between January of 1953 and March of 1953? Miss JACOBS. I wasn't employed at all. Mr. TAVENNER. Did you engage in any work during that period of time? Miss JACOBS. No. I was ill during that period. Mr. TAVENNER. Prior to the acceptance of the position of secretary of local 931 in April 1950, how were you employed? Miss JACOBS. Would you repeat that? Mr. TAVENNER. Just prior to April 1950 when you took your position as secretary with local 931, how were you employed, and where? (The witness conferred with her counsel.) Miss JACOBS. I would like to make a correction here on my employment date. I started to work in St. Joseph, Mich., the first time, I believe it was July or August 1950, and from about April until that time I was the office secretary for district 9 in Fort Wayne, Ind. Mr. TAVENNER. That answer is a little confusing to me. You began employment in St. Joseph in July of 1950? Miss JACOBS. Or August. Mr. TAVENNER. What was the nature of your employment? Miss JACOBS. I was the office secretary. Mr. TAVENNER. Of what local? Miss JACOBS. Local 931. Mr. TAVENNER. The same local, 931? Miss JACOBS. Yes. Mr. TAVENNER. The only change in your testimony is that you began in July 1950 instead of April 1950? Miss JACOBS. Yes. Mr. TAVENNER. I understand. Then prior to July 1950, how and where were you employed? Miss JACOBS. I was employed as the office secretary in the district office for our union from about April 1950 until I went to St. Joseph. Mr. TAVENNER. Where was that? Miss JACOBS. In Fort Wayne, Ind. Mr. TAVENNER. What district was that? Miss JACOBS. District 9. Mr. TAVENNER. You were office secretary in the district office? Miss JACOBS. Yes. Mr. TAVENNER. What was the reason for your transfer from the position of office secretary in the district office in Fort Wayne to the position of secretary of local 931? (The witness conferred with her counsel.) Miss JACOBS. Well, it wasn't a question of transfer. The local in St. Joseph was having, I don't know whether it was a raid or something like that, coming up from another union, and they needed someone to work in the office. The secretary was ill, and they asked me to come up there and work. Mr. TAVENNER. You say the secretary got ill? Miss JACOBS. Yes. Mr. TAVENNER. Is that the reason you were assigned, just because there was a vacancy there? Miss JACOBS. No. They had an office secretary who during this-I don't know all the details, because they occurred before I got there, but at the time she got ill, they needed a secretary and they asked me to come there, so I did, temporarily. The secretary never did come back, and they asked me to take the job on a permanent basis. Mr. TAVENNER. You say they asked you. Who asked you? Miss JACOBS. The local executive board. Mr. TAVENNER. Who were on that local executive board? Miss JACOBS. I can't recall the names of the people at this time because there were quite a few, 12, something like that. Mr. TAVENNER. We will talk more about that presently. Prior to April 1950, how were you employed? Miss JACOBS. I was employed as the office secretary for the organizational department of our union in Dayton, Ohio. Mr. TAVENNER. What district was that? Miss JACOBS. That was district 7. Mr. TAVENNER. When did you first become employed in that position? I Miss JACOBS. It is kind of hard to remember dates, because I worked on and off for the union. Occasionally I worked someplace else. can give you a date, but I am not sure it would be correct. Mr. TAVENNER. The best you can. Miss JACOBS. I would say in the spring of 1948. Mr. TAVENNER. Why were your services terminated at Dayton? Miss JACOBS. Well, as I recall-I am not exactly sure. It may have had something to do with cutting the staff, something like that. Mr. TAVENNER. At the time you left Dayton, had the UE lost an election which in any way affected your transfer? (The witness conferred with her counsel.) Miss JACOBS. Yes, we lost an election at two General Motors plants there. Mr. TAVENNER. Did that have anything to do with your transfer? Miss JACOBS. Well, no. It isn't a question of transfer. At the time, the position of office secretary in the district 9 office was open, and it was offered to me, but it is not a question of transfer. I could take it or not take it, or do anything I pleased. Mr. TAVENNER. Who was it who offered that position to you; that is, the transfer to Fort Wayne? (The witness conferred with her counsel.) Miss JACOBS. John Gojack, who was district president. Mr. TAVENNER. District president of district No. 7 at that time? Miss JACOBS. District 9. Mr. TAVENNER. Did you take part in any way in the Univis Lens strike at Dayton? (The witness conferred with her counsel.) Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer that question on the grounds of the fifth amendment. Mr. DOYLE. May I have that question repeated, please? Will the reporter please read that question and answer? (Whereupon, the question and answer were read by the reporter as follows :) Mr. TAVENNER. Did you take part in any way in the Univis Lens strike at Dayton? (The witness conferred with her counsel.) Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer that question on the grounds of the fifth amendment. Mr. DOYLE. Go ahead, Mr. Tavenner. Mr. TAVENNER. Why do you decline to testify as to whether or not you took part in the Univis Lens strike in Dayton? (The witness conferred with her counsel.) Mr. DOYLE. I might state, Mr. Chairman, I did not know it was unlawful or a violation of law to participate in a strike. Mr. MOULDER. Let the record show that the witness is now consulting with her counsel. Miss JACOBS. Will you repeat your question, please? Mr. TAVENNER. Read the question, please. (Whereupon, the question was read by the reporter as follows:) Mr. TAVENNER. Why do you decline to testify as to whether or not you took part in the Univis Lens strike in Dayton? Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer that question, too, on the same grounds. Mr. TAVENNER. Mr. Chairman, I suggest that the witness be directed to answer. Mr. MOULDER. Yes, Miss Jacobs, the committee directs you to answer that question for the reason that it appears that there is no vaild reason or cause which appears from the question which would involve you in any criminal prosecution as a result of having participated in a strike which is authorized by the laws of our country. Therefore, you are directed to answer the question. (The witness conferred with her counsel.) Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer that question on the grounds of the fifth amendment. Mr. TAVENNER. Did the Univis Lens strike have anything to do with the ultimate decision of your leaving Dayton, Ohio, and going to another place? (The witness conferred with her counsel.) Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer that question on the same grounds. Mr. DOYLE. Mr. Chairman, I think the record should show that the committee certainly has no objection to the witness conferring with her counsel. Let us make that clear to the witness and counsel. We do like the record to show when that is occurring. I wanted to make that statement so counsel and the witness would understand we were not making that record because we have any objection to it. Mr. DONNER. I would like to respond to that, that I know of rules which forbid me to. I understand that. Mr. TAVENNER. Miss Jacobs, did you learn that you were to be suspenaed by the Ohio State Committee on Un-American Activities as a witness at any time prior to April 1950? Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer that question on the grounds of the fifth amendment. Mr. TAVENNER. Were you influenced in any way in your decision to go to Fort Wayne, Ind., by the contemplated action of the Ohio State Committee on Un-American Activities in subpenaing you? (The witness conferred with her counsel.) Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer that question on the grounds of the fifth amendment. (Discussion off the record.) Mr. TAVENNER. How were you employed prior to 1948 when you took your position as secretary for the organizational department of your union, district 7, at Dayton? Miss JACOBS. I was employed by the White Motor Co., in Cleveland, Ohio. Mr. TAVENNER. How long were you employed there? Miss JACOBS. I think I worked there for about 3 months or so. Mr. TAVENNER. Prior to that employment, what employment did you have? Miss JACOBS. I worked for the Himes Bros. Dairy in Dayton, Ohio. Mr. TAVENNER. Will you give us that name? Miss JACOBS. Himes Bros., H-i-m-e-s. Mr. TAVENNER. How long did you work there? Miss JACOBS. About 3 months. Mr. TAVENNER. Prior to that, what employment did you have? Miss JACOBS. I worked for the Adler & Childs department store in Dayton for about the same period. Mr. TAVENNER. For a period of 3 months? Miss JACOBS. As I recall. Mr. TAVENNER. Approximately? Miss JACOBS. Yes. Mr. TAVENNER. Prior to that employment, what employment did you have? Miss JACOBS. Prior to that, I believe I worked for local 768 of the same union in Dayton, Ohio. Mr. TAVENNER. In what capacity did you work for the local? Mr. TAVENNER. What was the number of the local ? Miss JACOBS. 768. Mr. TAVENNER. How long did you work for the local on that occasion? Miss JACOBS. I can't remember. I will have to guess. Say two and a half years. Mr. TAVENNER. Did you hold the same position during the entire period? Miss JACOBS. Yes, I believe so. Mr. TAVENNER. Approximately when did you begin that work? Miss JACOBS. I can't remember the date. Mr. TAVENNER. You said about 2 years. Would that make it in 1945 or 1946 ? Miss JACOBS. About that time. Mr. TAVENNER. Would you say as early as 1945? |