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You have not denied, as I recall it, that that is your signature as yet. Is that your signature?

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer the question.

Mr. DOYLE. I will ask you again, in view of the chairman's instruction that you sign it-I am asking you again if you will please sign your name, just the way you ordinarily sign it. I am asking you that for identification.

Miss JACOBS. I decline to.

Mr. DOYLE. All right.

Now, who was living there at the time that you lived a short time with the Gojack family?

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer the question.

Mr. DOYLE. Was your sister living there with you?

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer the question on the same grounds. Mr. DOYLE. Where was your sister living at the time?

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer the question on the same grounds. Mr. DOYLE. Were you paying rent at this address?

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer the question on the same grounds, Mr. DOYLE. Were you paying rent any place else?

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer the question.

Mr. DOYLE. You said this morning that you went down there in connection with an election, do you remember that? I wrote it down here, and I think that you said you went down there in connection with an election. What election was that, in December of 1951? (The witness conferred with counsel.)

Mr. DOYLE. You volunteered the evidence that you went down there in connection with an election.

Miss JACOBS. The election I referred to was an election we were having at the Whirlpool plant at La Porte, Ind.

Mr. DOYLE. What was your connection with that election?

Miss JACOBS. I had just been placed on our organizational staff and I was to help.

Mr. DOYLE. Who gave you orders in connection with that election? What were you ordered or directed to do?

Miss JACOBS. Well, the ordinary things that people do to win the election, put out leaflets.

Mr. DOYLE. Who gave you the directions or instructions what to do! This, as I understand it, was the time you were living with Mr. Grojack's family. I presume he was living there at the same time, was he not, with his family? Is that correct?

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer the question on the grounds of the fifth amendment.

Mr. DOYLE. All right. Now, who gave you your instructions as to what you shall do in connection with the election? Who were you Working for at that time?

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer the question on the same grounds. Mr. DOYLE. At that time, what sort of work did you do in connection with the election?

Miss JACOBS. Well, part of my work was office work, and part of it was organizational work.

Mr. DOYLE. Where was your office in connection with that election? Miss JACOBS. The offices in La Porte, Ind.

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Mr. DOYLE. What office was that that you worked out of, in connection with the election?

Miss JACOBS. One of our local offices there.

Mr. DOYLE. Which local?

Miss JACOBS. I believe the number of it is 119, but I am not certain. Mr. DOYLE. Who were the executive officers of that local?

Miss JACOBS. I don't recall.

Mr. DOYLE. Did you work with anybody in connection with that election?

Miss JACOBS. We had a regular staff there.

Mr. DOYLE. Who else was on the staff with you in that election? Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer the question on the same grounds. Mr. DOYLE. Was there anyone besides the union officers and the employees working with you in that election?

(The witness conferred with counsel.)

Mr. DOYLE. I do not understand why it would incriminate you there. Miss JACOBS. No, there was not.

Mr. DOYLE. Who were the officers of the union working with you, if there was no one other than officers of the union? It was a legitimate union, was it not?

(The witness conferred with counsel.)

Miss JACOBS. Well, we had a staff of several people, as I recall. One was Elizabeth Moore, who was our international representative, and another regular staff member was Pete Reilly and Dick Marhanka; and there may have been other people who helped, but I can't recall the names.

Mr. DOYLE. Was Mr. Gojack working in connection with that election?

Miss JACOBS. Well, as an officer of the district, I am sure he did, although I don't recall what it was.

Mr. DOYLE. In connection with that election, did Mr. Gojack, as long as you are sure that he was working in connection with it, did he give you any directions?

Miss JACOBS. He may have, but I don't recall any.

Mr. DOYLE. As long as you recall that he may have given you directions, but you are not sure, are you sure of anyone that did give you any instructions in connection with your duties in that election? Who did? You surely know who did.

Miss JACOBS. Well, the way that we conduct our business, we have a meeting, say a staff meeting, and everyone sits around and talks, and you decide who does what."

Mr. DOYLE. Did Mr. Gojack meet at any of those staff meetings with you?

Miss JACOBS. I don't recall, although it is possible.

Mr. DOYLE. It is possible?

Miss JACOBS. Yes.

Mr. DOYLE. You stated that Mr. Gojack was your superior at Fort Wayne. Do you remember doing that this morning?

Miss JACOBS. Yes.

Mr. DOYLE. Was that in connection with this election that you referred to in any way?

Miss JACOBS. When I took the job in Fort Wayne, they had nothing to do with it, and as a matter of fact, it was a period of 2 years in be tween that time and the Whirlpool election at La Porte.

Mr. DOYLE. In connection with your work as recording secretary, and secretary of the union, did you have authority to cosign the union checks as one of the signers of the checks issued by the union?

Miss JACOBS. I never had signed any checks, although if I am not wrong or mistaken, there may have been, or I might have been required to if another officer hadn't done it. We had two signatures, and if one had failed, I believe that I was authorized to, although I never had.

Mr. DOYLE. Who was the other person authorized to sign the checks? Miss JACOBS. There were two authorized to sign checks regularly, the president and the financial secretary.

Mr. DOYLE. Who was president and who was financial secretary? Miss JACOBS. There have been a number of presidents, so I can't recall.

Mr. DOYLE. The best you recall. Give me a few of the names of the people who have been president and financial secretary according to your recollection.

Miss JACOBS. Well, our financial secretary, I think, for either most or all of the time was James Dudley; and the president, I can't say for sure. I could name several names, but I can't remember for exact periods or anything like that.

Mr. DOYLE. You tell me if I am in error, please, on this: In other words, you were secretary, recording secretary, and you were paid $45 to $50 a week by the union. You testified that your income was not supplemented from any other employment. Do you remember so testifying this morning?

Miss JACOBS. Yes, I would like to make a correction.

Mr. DOYLE. Yes, if you have a correction we would like to have it. Miss JACOBS. As recording secretary of the local, I believe that I got about $10 a month or something like that.

Mr. DOYLE. Ten dollars a month?

Miss JACOBS. Yes, sir.

Mr. DOYLE. That is a magnificent sum.

Now, I suppose that at times you did mimeograph work in the union office, did you not, in the local office, in connection with elections? Miss JACOBS. Yes.

Mr. DOYLE. Now, the mimeographed material that was prepared and run off the machine by you, was prepared by whom? Who gave the text of it and who did the writing of it? Who wrote the script? Miss JACOBS. Different people.

Mr. DOYLE. Name some of them, please?

Miss JACOBS. Well, there would be a great many people.

Mr. DOYLE. Yes, of course; 5 or 6 would it be?

Miss JACOBS. Well, it is dependent upon whether it is a leaflet, or depending upon what it is, and sometimes a rank-and-file member runs a script.

Mr. DOYLE. Tell me your best recollection, because you remember, I see now, that there were leaflets at times, and there was one-page material at times. Who wrote the one-page materials which you ran off on the mimeograph machine, or helped run off? Who provided the text in connection with any elections that you were working with?

Miss JACOBS. Well, like I say, it could be an organizer; it could be a member of the board; or it could be a member who had something to say in the election; or it could be almost anybody.

Mr. DOYLE. Who did it to your personal knowledge, in any a case; who did it? Just give me the name of one person.

Miss JACOBS. Well, I suppose sometimes Brother Gojack wou write leaflets, and sometimes members of the negotiating committ for Whirlpool would write leaflets, and

Mr. DOYLE. Can you think of anyone besides Brother Gojack w wrote a leaflet ?

Miss JACOBS. Yes, our plant chairman sometimes helped.

Mr. DOYLE. Who was that?

Miss JACOBS. Well, that varies, too, because they elect a plant cha man every year, and sometimes you have a chairman twice a year. Mr. DOYLE. I understand that, but you remember their names, you not? You remember the name of Mr. Gojack, and who else? Miss JACOBS. If you would show me something I would have better idea. Well, I would say every organizer that we have on t staff writes leaflets.

Mr. DOYLE. As long as you expressly remember that Mr. Goja wrote some of the leaflets which you helped run off and mimeogragh the union office, during the working hours that you were being pa by the union, you were doing that on union time, were you not? Miss JACOBS. Yes.

Mr. DOYLE. Were any of those leaflets that Mr. Gojack supplie you the text for, and which you ran off on union pay, on the mime graph in the union office, did they emanate from the Communi Party, or a Communist committee? They did, did they not?

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer that question on the same ground Mr. DOYLE. I thought so. And you knew at the time that Mr. G jack was a member of the Communist Party, did you not?

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer that question on the same ground Mr. DOYLE. Is it a fact that the Communist Party held committe meetings in the union office where you were employed, to you knowledge?

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer that question on the same ground Mr. DOYLE. Did you ever receive any pay or compensation from th Communist Party directly or indirectly for any services you rendere to the Communist Party, or any Communist front!

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer that question on the same ground Mr. DOYLE. Well, if you had not received such money your answe would be no, would it not?

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer that question on the same ground: Mr. DOYLE. May I have that letter of this morning, please, tha you had for the witness?

(Mr. Tavenner handed a document to Mr. Doyle.)

Mr. DOYLE. Referring, Miss Jacobs, to this letter introduced thi morning, of October 8, 1951, to you, on the stationery of the March o Labor-it was signed by Nate Solomon-which was presented to yo by our distinguished counsel, Mr. Tavenner. Do you remember tha letter? I am holding it up now to refresh your memory.

Will you please hand it to the witness, Mr. Tavenner, so that sh can refresh her memory again?

(The witness conferred with counsel.)

Miss JACOBS. I recall being shown this letter and I recall pleading the fifth amendment on it.

Mr. DOYLE. What was your position of employment with the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers of America, Local 931, on the date you received this letter, shortly after October 8, 1951?

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer that question on the same ground. Mr. DOYLE. Were you employed by the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers of America on or about October 8, 1951?

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer that question on the same grounds. Mr. DOYLE. Well, this morning when our counsel asked you where each of the places were that you were employed, you gave him all of the places, did you not, that you recalled? Did you neglect or refuse to include the fact of your employment with the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers of America on or about the date of this letter?

Miss JACOBS. I decline to answer the question on the same grounds. Mr. DOYLE. Were you at any time employed by the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers of America, Local 931?

Miss JACOBS. Yes, I was.

Mr. DOYLE. When?

Miss JACOBS. I am presently employed by them.

Mr. DOYLE. Were you employed back in October of 1951?

(The witness conferred with counsel.)

Mr. DOYLE. Were you employed by the same group?

Miss JACOBS. If it is in reference to the letter, I will reply "No"; if that question is not in reference to the letter, I will reply "Yes." Mr. DOYLE. Were you then employed on October 8, 1951?

Miss JACOBS. Yes; I say that my answer is "Yes," if it is not in reference to the letter.

Mr. DOYLE. The reason I asked you about October 8, 1951, is because that is the date of this letter. I want to be perfectly frank with you. That is the date given in this letter and it is the basis of my question. Were you employed by the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers of America on or about October 8, 1951?

Miss JACOBS. I believe I have given my answer on that.

Mr. DOYLE. I think that you have made it clear that you were employed on that date by that concern.

Now, in what capacity were you employed by the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers of America on or about October 8, 1951? (The witness conferred with counsel.)

Miss JACOBS. I believe I answered that question before.

Mr. DOYLE. I do not mean to take up your time to ask you the same question twice, but I do not think that I understood your answer clearly.

Miss JACOBS. I think that I told you earlier that I was employed by the local from about July or August of 1950 until about the end of the year of 1951, and during that time when I was first hired I was the office secretary, and later I was both the office secretary and recording secretary.

Mr. DOYLE. Have you any personal knowledge of any subversive activities by any person or any group of persons in any of the labor unions by whom you have been employed according to your own testimony?

(The witness conferred with counsel.)

Miss JACOBS. Would you please explain what you mean by subversive?

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